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A letter to the president.


By Robert Gordon - Posted on 23 July 2011

I would have loved to be able to say that I was the person that originally wrote this letter, but no I didn't.  However I would like to post it here for your reading pleasure. As it is a  simply outstanding letter to Barack Obam, and  everything in it is all true.

 
Here is the audacious, shocking statements of the man who was recently elected our president - a young black man living the impossible dream of millions of young Americans, past and present, black and white.
I would just to ask him this.
 
 Just what country do you think you're president of?
 
You surely can't be referring to the United States of America , can you? America is emphatically a Christian nation, and has been from its inception! Seventy percent of her citizens identify themselves as Christian. The Declaration of Independence and our Constitution were framed, written and ratified by Christians. It's because this was, and is, a nation built on and guided by Judeo-Christian biblical principles that you, sir, have had the inestimable privilege of being elected her president.
 
You studied law at Harvard, didn't you, sir? You taught constitutional law in Chicago? Did you not ever read the statement of John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and an author of the landmark "Federalist Papers": " Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers - and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation - to select and prefer Christians for their rulers"?
In your studies, you surely must have read the decision of the Supreme Court in 1892: "Our lives and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian."
 
Did your professors have you skip over all the high-court decisions right up till the mid 1900's that echoed and reinforced these views and intentions? Did you pick up the history of American jurisprudence only in 1947, when for the first time a phrase coined by Thomas Jefferson about a "wall of separation between church and state" was used to deny some specific religious expression - contrary to Jefferson 's intent with that statement?
 

Or, wait a minute: were your ideas about America 's Christianity formed during the 20 years you were a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ under your pastor, Jeremiah Wright? Is that where you got the idea that " America is no longer a Christian nation"? Is this where you, even as you came to call yourself a Christian, formed the belief that " America has been arrogant"?

 
Even if that's the understandable explanation of your damning of your country and accusing the whole nation (not just a few military officials trying their best to keep more Americans from being murdered by jihadists) of "not always living up to her ideals," how did you come up with the ridiculous, alarming notion that we might be"considered a Muslim nation"?
 
Is it because there are some 2 million or more Muslims living here, trying to be good Americans? Out of a current population of over 300 million, 70 percent of whom are Christians? Does that make us, by any rational definition, a "Muslim nation"?
Why are we not, then, a "Chinese nation"? A "Korean nation"? Even a "Vietnamese nation"? There are even more of these distinct groups in America than Muslims. And if the distinction you're trying to make is a religious one, why is America not "a Jewish nation"? There's actually a case to be made for the latter, because our Constitution - and the success of our Revolution and founding - owe a deep debt to our Jewish brothers.
 
Have you stopped to think what an actual MuslimAmerica would be like? Have you ever really spent much time in Iran ? Even in Egypt ? You, having been instructed in Islam as a kid at a Muslim school in Indonesia and saying you still love the call to evening prayers, can surely picture our nation founded on the Quran, not the Judeo-Christian Bible, and living under Shariah law. Can't you? You do recall Muhammad's directives
[Surah 9:5,73] to "break the cross" and "kill the infidel"?
 
It seems increasingly and painfully obvious that you are more influenced by your upbringing and questionable education than most suspected. If you consider yourself the president of a people who are "no longer Christian," who have "failed to live up to our ideals," who "have been arrogant," and might even be "considered Muslim" - you are president of a country most Americans don't recognize.
 

The Constitution makes us a nation; other than that we are a plot of land. The Constitution does not mention Christ, therefore we are not a Christian nation.

We are a nation whose diverse and fluid culture(s) are influenced by numerous traditions, Judeo-Christian traditions (which in and of themselves are numerous and often self-contradicotry) being the most prevalent among them. Prevalent IN our nation? Yes. Definitive OF our nation? No.

But thanks for sharing.

Fwd fwd fwd emails are the souce of education for the uninformed.   Let's me see if I can help you out here by elaborating on it a bit.  It's too hard to read, and too long, to take on every point, but I'll address a few of them, in order for you to broaden your scope a bit.

To call John Jay the "author of the Federalist Papers is quite misleading.  The general consensus about authorship is that Alexander Hamilton wrote 52, James Madison wrote 28, and John Jay contributed the remaining 5.

  John Jay wrote those words in a personal letter to a minister, not in any capacity as a statesman or Justice of the Supreme Court.  Let's put that quote in context, shall we?  "Real Christians will abstain from violating the rights of others, and therefore will not provoke war.
Almost all nations have peace or war at the will and pleasure of rulers whom they do not elect, and who are not always wise or virtuous. Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers"

Likewise, the entire quote by Jefferson reads  "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."   Along those same lines declaring separation, In 1797, the United Stated ratified a treaty with Tripoli that stated in Article 11

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The rest of the email is mostly gibberish.  The "he's a Muslim/Kenyan/socialist blather is tiring and based on fear not facts, ignorance not reality.   The "We are no longer a Christian nation" has been quoted and misquoted by Fox and all the extreme right wing websites ad nauseum.   Why don't you read the facts about it, and consider yourself a better educated person.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-the-christian-nation-quote/   

Umm, what say you Robert Gordon, you had me convinced until Suzi offered up this well researched rebuttal. BTW, I stumbled upon this a while back from one of our founding fathers, let me know what this means to you?:

 

"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment...But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times."

-Thomas Jefferson

 

I'm particulalry fond of the part where he mentions the "progress of human mind" I haven't quite figured out what he means (cause I wasn't there and I'm loathe to put my words in someone else's mouth) but I think it means: what is won't always be and what was is not always correct. Does that make any sense to you Mr. Gordon? I'm also curious as to why in all the scouring of the Constitution and documents prepared by founding fathers this little gem of a nugget never appears in the talking points about religion and government and strict constructionism. Reminiscent of how people who believe the crud that you're peddling have selective interpretaion when it comes to the Bible.

 

One last question, why are your types quick to pass around letters made up by some dim bulb hiding behind a computer screen that basically shows how narrow minded, insecure and really intellectually inept supporters of such blather really are? Just what are you afraid of really...it really can't be policies of a president who hasn't really done anything that any other president has done while rising to the challenge left to them (good or bad) who then do what needs to be done at the time. Why not just come out and say that you scared of a black man? Man up, stop hiding behind fake policy differences and bogus deficits (especially when we had a surplus going into 2001), Muslim-scare vs. Christianity...I doubt you could hold a serious conversation with any degree of knowledge about ANYTHING that you profess to destest so much without falling back to talking points.

 

This is the same pig with lipstick y'all used during the civil rights debates. The only difference is then you hid behind the robes because your types were too ashamed, spineless and cowardly to stand in the light and show just who you really are. You sir and your types are cowards, liars, who have no desire to make things work but are more intent on having your WAY.

Perfectly stated, Golfie.   The fact is, the people who believe and pass around this kind of "information" have highly over-developed reflexes, and the knee jerk reactions come long before they even consider engaging their brains. 
The bottom line is a black man is POTUS, and that scares the hell out of them...No matter what talking points they use.  On some base, gut, level, they cannot believe that a black man is smarter and more powerful than they are.  Barack Obama, in their opinion, just does not know his place.

Damn. I t hink my fellow RFOs covered this FAR better than I ever could do. Kudos.

Some interesting information I found in researching some of the "quotes" 

Alleged quote from the U.S. Supreme Court decision of HOLY TRINITY v. UNITED STATES (1892): “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of Mankind, it is impossible that it should be otherwise... Our civilization and institutions are emphatically Christian...”

This is another inaccurate statement from David Barton, and he has admitted that this quote appears nowhere in the TRINITY v. UNITED STATES case.

David Barton is a Christian fundamentalist from the WallBuilders group. He wrote a book full of quotes from the Founding Fathers that really took scholars take on the foundation of this country to task. Many people jumped to do the research to find out the validity of these quotes. Firms devoted to Madison and Jefferson became involved, universities got involved and ultimately the Library of Congress was the final resting place for these quotes.

David Barton was cornered and he admitted to fabricating the quotes, okay he actually called them "spurious," but we all know that means he made them up. He was ordered to create a pamphlet that listed all his bogus quotes. Unfortunatly, that pamphlet has had almost zero impact on those use the quotes daily  around the United States.
 

Some of the quotes which were found to be bogus...

1) "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!" - Patrick Henry

2) "The only assurance of our nation's safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion." - Abraham Lincoln

3) "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." - George Washington

4) "Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian." - Holy Trinity v. U. S. (Supreme Court case)

5) "The principles of all genuine liberty, and of wise laws and administrations are to be drown from the Bible and sustained by its authority. The man therefore who weakens or destroys the divine authority of that book may be assessory [sic] to all the public disorders which society is doomed to suffer." - Noah Webster

6) "A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or eternal invader." - Samuel Adams

7) "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves ... according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison

8) "There are two powers only which are sufficient to control men, and secure the rights of individuals and a peaceable administration; these are the combined force of religion and law, and the force or fear of the bayonet." - Noah Webster

9) "Whosoever shall introduce into the public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world." - Benjamin Franklin

10) "The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next." - Abraham Lincoln

11) "I have always said and always will say that the studious perusal of the Sacred Volume will make us better citizens." - Thomas Jefferson



 

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