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Rumors from The Gulf Of Mexico


By Suzi LeVeaux - Posted on 13 June 2010

Living this close to the oil spill, we see and hear a lot of things before the rest of the country, IF the rest of the country ever hears it at all.  Some of it turns out to be factual, some remains in the realm of pure rumor.  I want to share three things that have been floating around here for days.  The indications are that the first two may turn out to be true, while the third remains a rumor..and I hope it stays that way.

1.  President Obama is scheduled to visit the Gulf Coast again this Monday and Tuesday.  The big rumor is while he is here, he will announce his plan for restoration of the coast.  A big part of that plan is said to be redirecting the Mississippi River, returning it to a more natural route.  This sounds like a huge project, and one every Louisianian should applaud.  A little background:

Our barrier islands and marshlands were built by sediment from the MS River, flowing over them as nature intended.  In the early part of the twentieth century, the river was re-routed a few times, mostly by a system of levees, to prevent flooding.  Now the much needed sediment flows straight into the Gulf of Mexico.  Our barrier islands have eroded greatly in the ensuing years, leaving us more and more vulnerable to every hurricane, and now to the oil spill coming into the marshlands.  If the river is allowed to take a more natural route, this damage will be rectified over time. 

The rumor also says that BP and TransOcean will have to pay for this being done. 

2.  So much for the good news.  Rumor number two isn't proven yet, but is looking more and more likely to be so.  It says that the drill pipe below the sea bed is ruptured, which has caused cracks in the sea floor.  The ROV cameras have been studying areas where there seem to be gas bubbles and globs of oil coming up out of cracks in the floor of the Gulf in the area of the Horizon.  If the strata and rock formations undersea have been cracked, at this time there is no known way to seal them.

3.  This one has no hard data to prove (or disprove) it at this time, so I am keeping it in the rumor only category  It's just such a scary scenario to contemplate, I wanted to share it, in the off chance it could be real.  There is talk that the pressure per square inch of the oil coming out of the riser head is so strong, that there is no way it can be capped.  That theory has something to do with the "age" of the oil and size/location of the deposit.  If that's true, the gusher will continue until the deposit of oil is drained naturally.  This catastrophe is bad enough, and growing worse by the day, and at this point, I don't believe this one to be true.  Please pray this is just one of those scary theories that develop when everything is going wrong, and someone is looking for any explanation for it all.  This would be a real dooms-day scenario.

redirecting the Mississippi River...

I saw Doug Brinkley when he made that remark on Anderson Cooper's 360 (Carville was the other guest). According to Brinkley, he claimed Obama is to announce it during this weekend's trip to the Gulf Coast.

CARVILLE: If -- if the president does that, I will be the biggest supporter in the world. He will be beloved in Louisiana.

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I have always had a fascination with the Mississippi River. With that being said...

Environmentalist studies have recommended redirecting Mississippi for at least 2 decades. I used to keep up with the studies. They're hard to find on the net. But here's a 2006 article:

Redirecting Mississippi River...

I saw that too, and it seemed to confirm what I'd been hearing.  The local talk is that Obama talked to Jindal and other local officials about the importance of this, and discussed the appropriate plan.  It's been something Jindal and other governors before him have tried to do..without much success. Katrina brought the importance of it to the forefront.

President Obama actually had a provision, for the first time, in the 2011 budget.  This is a big deal, and a real milestone, as it is the first time this has been addressed in the Federal budget. 

My hope is if this is part of his announcement, the plan will go much further. 

The Mississippi actually wants to go down the Atchafalaya River anyway (which would leave Baton Rouge and New Orleans high and dry). That's why the Old River Control Structure was built by the Corps of Engineers. During the spring, when there has been heavy winter snowfalls in the Ohio and/or Missouri Valleys, and the melting snows are channeled down the lower Mississippi, the control structure is opened, to funnel the crest away from the lower Mississippi, and down the Atchafalafa floodway toward Morgan City. Morgan City often suffers heavy flooding when the gates are open, but the crest never reaches Baton Rouge or New Orleans.

That scenario has been pretty effective for years, but eventually the Mississippi is going to flow down the Atchafalaya, and there is going to be only a relative trickle below the Mississippi-Red intersection. 

The impetus for the Old River Control structure came in 1927, when a severe flood crest was headed down river for New Orleans, and engineers were trying to figure out how to save the city from inundation. The solution they came up with was to dynamite the levees below New Orleans (in the area where Buras is today--several miles above Boothville/Venice) and purposely let that area be flooded. This worked to lower the crest flowing by New Orleans, and the levees were not topped. Afterwards, engineers knew that they had to have a more permanent solution, hence the Old River Control gates, and several spillways below that (Bonnet Carre' being the largest one) to empty water into the Gulf without passing New Orleans.

 

 

There's also the problem of the dams etc that have been built up and down the river to the north, which keep sediment out of the river.

I wonder what changes would be made in the existing floodgates and levees, if any.  I'll be very anxious to see and hear the plan.

I really hope rumor # 1 is confirmed. It's long overdue. I won't pretend to be an expert on these things, but it certainly appears that experts and the citizens of the Gulf region would applaud this. I am glad to see that President Obama will be spending the next few days in the Gulf and then addressing the nation Tuesday night (long overdue, too, but I think it reflects his tendency to get all the facts and a plan of action first before speaking for the sake of speaking.) I am anxious to see what plans are in action and the next steps to this horrific situtation. Would anyone be against redirecting the Mississippi? It seems like a necessary step. My only concern would be how we can possibly "force" BP to pay. I'm sure they've got lawyers on this entire case trying to get them out of paying as much as possible. I can only pray BP just decides to do the right thing and sign on voluntarily-for ALL of these costs. If that happens, I'd credit the Obama administration, state and local leaders, and the public at large (led by people like Carville and Madalin) with applying needed pressure and not letting up. I pray rumor 2 & 3 prove false but I've had an awful feeling in my gut since Day 1 on this nightmare so I can't say I'm not fearful. Please keep us posted, Suzi. It is so helpful to have you as a connection to the reality on the ground. Keep up the great work and try to stay strong emotionally if you can.

Well Izzy, BP is so lawyered-up, everything is a hassle.  I hear a lot about concerns over BP bankruptcy, but I just don't see how a company that posts two billion dollars a quarter in profits can go bankrupt that easily. 

It's being said that Obama will address this too, in the form of talking about legal steps being taken to force BP into holding sufficient funds in an escrow account, to be used to pay businesses and individuals that suffer losses due to their negligence.   He supposedly will also talk about reform at MMS. 

Of course, some will be against redirecting the river..someone will be against anything they come up with.  But the general population of the state will be for it, I feel sure.  We KNOW how important our barrier islands and marshlands are...in oh so many ways.  Hurricane protection being at the top of the list.  I must admit that if this is true, I'll be very curious to see how Jindal handles it publicly.  I understand his frustration as the impact on our state grows, and response being so slow.  Although I was disappointed in the administration's response in the first weeks, I'm getting sick and tired of the "Blame Obama" meme.  It takes the focus of of the real culprits...BP, TransOcean and Halliburton.  We need to work together on all levels as quickly and efficiently as possible if we are to stand a chance against this disaster.

Izzy, like you, I've had a awful, sinking feeling in my gut from the beginning.  Something is going on that we're not aware of...I just know it.  I just don't know what it is.

Hi u all! Haven't visited your little communitee here for a while. My son in laws Dad says they are drilling two pipe lines to release the pressure of the spill. They hope to tap right into the oil river with the first. But, if the first miss, the second should hit it. They have no hope of capping at this time. While they are listening to/takeing plans from people all over the world who has an idea of how to cap it! It could be November before they have the first Rig in place to relief the pressure off the spill. We have extended family in the gulf on the rig. My son in laws father knew two guys on the rig that blew, an both made it out alive. They all say BP will never pay up ALL that they will owe when this is done an over, an the spills will remain with us, an ruin wild life for yrs to come. It's a sad situation that makes all of us cry, an touch's our hearts deeply. Those on the rigs trade off their guys from rig to rig, so they are like one big family along the gulf. Not only are their future jobs jepordized by BP/Halliburtons actions, but their next generations health an lifes are threatened. Believe them when they say not only was BP liable an directly to blame for this, but so was 2 other companies who does maintance/up keep/an change out of equipment under water/rig---------so they tell me. They also said, this was a lot of cutting corners an greed as to why the back up equipment did not work to stop this spill. This apparently goes on at other rigs also that BP push's the guys concerns to the side an refuse to take them seriousely if they think they have a problem that needs attention/might slow down the oil flow if they address it. Sure did enjoy seeing u all keeping up with the news here. Suzi, I also came back to tell u how grateful I was for not only u, but all of ya for helping me through my husbands death an months that followed last year. Thanks again guys!

I agree that they are fooling us with smoke and mirrors as they "attempt" to cap the well.  The relief wells are in process, but the earliest they could be completed is August (IF they manage to intersect with the pipe)...and I have very little hope of that timeline being met.  The relief wells will be used to permanently cap and plug the well with concrete.

I'm so glad to see you back jupitor, and hope you are here to stay.  I miss you and your input.  I think about you often, as I understand how difficult these months have been for you.  How are you doing really?

Great to see you back, jupitor. Yes, we are all frustrated and overwhelmed by this mess. If there was ever an example of the evil consequences of greed, this is it. My only hope is that this becomes a teachable moment-not just for a few months or years-but for future generations. As a middle school teacher, I want to offer you all hope for the younger generation and my observation of how much they care about the environment, saving energy, and being less dependent on oil. My 8th grade students-yes 13 year olds-are taking this pretty hard as they see pictures of oily wild life and damage done. Many of these kids just don't "get" how it all came to this. Before this even happened, these same students did a project last year (not teacher assigned-just on their own) asking teachers (actually sign a pledge) to do a few simple things for one whole week such as:

-turn off a panel of lights in the classroom for the whole day

-totally shut down computers when they leave work (not just put to sleep)

-ride a bike or walk for 2 activities that week instead of drive

-carpool

-take a shorter, timed shower

It was so popular, they convinced teachers to extend the commitment. And now, with this oil spill disaster, they seem more passionate than ever.  So, please just be assured that the younger kids out there seem much wiser than our generation on this. For them, it is the norm to be a "greenie/environmentalist wacko" and very uncool to be a kid who does not recycle or care about the earth. Hope that comforts some of you as we look to the future.

On another note, is there any chance BP would simply file for bankruptsy to get out of all these bills? I have heard it would be very unwise from a business perspective-especially considering Exxon bounced back after their blunder-but you never know. Also, Boehner just went on record as supporting raising the cap on BP-maybe even setting no limits-although he seems to only be for this for BP, does not want to apply to all companies. Hey, it's a start. The political climate clearly leans towards "kicking BP's ass" so that is good news indeed. Maybe that sentiment can actually lead to climate/energy legislation sooner rather than later.

Either you guys keep rumors pretty well, or that point # 1 may be just wishful thinking. I haven't seen anything on the news networks, even the gossipy ones. But you did say Carville commented on it, so it must have some valid sources. I really hope it's true. I have heard alot about the escrow account being a reality, but nothing about the "redirecting."

I'n hearing lots about the escrow account too, but nothing about the restoration plan, of which the "redirecting" is a part.  The only public mention of it I've seen came from Doug Brinkley, which Carville was reacting to.

Read or watch here for the exchange with Anderson Cooper.

AC360 will be reporting each night this week from the Gulf.  I strongly suggest watching his show to get a real feel for what is going on down here.

Ok-finally did see it on Daily Kos, referencing the interview. I guess I just find it odd that the interview did not get more attention-that would be BIG news. It would make sense that Obama was careful not to call Hayworth-for legal reasons-if he is considering this. If that's the case, the media/GOP would sure have egg on it's face for all that criticism. We can only hope this will be another "Rev. Wright" moment for the President. Remember all that criticism and how painful it was for us to watch and see a response delay on Rev. Wright, only to have the President show us all with that amazing speech on race? It was like: "Oops. I guess he's not going down easily and maybe he actually thinks things through and develops a plan before responding!" This part of the interview is encouraging since Brinkley seems pretty confident and it gets Carville excited, too.

Well, now the Mississippi River has to be redirected. It's going to have to be flooded and sediment pumped into these marshlands to save it. I think the Obama administration...

   (CROSSTALK)

   COOPER: So, no, wait. No, wait. Doug, is this just a hope on your part?

   BRINKLEY: No.

   COOPER: Or -- I mean, I know you have been talking to sources. Do you believe this is actually going to happen?

   BRINKLEY: Yes. Yes.

   And it's one of the reasons why the president is not talking to Tony Hayward. And they are going to come out with a large Gulf recovery act, because the oil and gas industry has been dredging. We have disappearing barrier islands. For 40 years down there, it's abused the wetlands.

   This is a turning point. There is an appetite on Capitol Hill for Gulf recovery act. The Mississippi River is going to have to be redirected into the marshlands. And BP and Transocean and other, you know, operations, Cameron, other companies are going to have to pay up to $10 billion and $15 billion for breaking national acts.

   (CROSSTALK)

   BRINKLEY: In addition, for offshore drilling in the Gulf, Anderson, there will be a conservation excise tax that, yes, there will be offshore drilling, but Louisianians will start getting some of the revenue to stay in state.

   CARVILLE: If -- if the president does that, I will be the biggest supporter in the world. He will be beloved in Louisiana.

   If he -- if he has a restoration act and the kind of things that Doug Brinkley is talking about, who Doug, by the way, lived here. His wife is from here. He knows exactly what he is talking about. If there is that kind of action from the White House and this president, he will go down, in my opinion, as one of the great presidents in history.

 

I'm hoping that Brinkley slipped and said something that the White House didn't want made public yet. I'm hoping the focus on the escrow account is to divert media attention from a planned surprise announcement. I'm hoping....and praying.

There are growing indications that rumor number 2 may be real.

Sources at two companies involved with the well said that BP also discovered new damage inside the well below the seafloor and that, as a result, some of the drilling mud that was successfully forced into the well was going off to the side into rock formations.

"We discovered things that were broken in the sub-surface," said a BP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. He said that mud was making it "out to the side, into the formation

The Canadian Press quoted the top government official in charge of the response to the oil spill - Admiral Thad Allen, the commandant of the Coast Guard - as pointing to the same possibility. The failure of the so-called top kill procedure - which entailed pumping mud into the well at high velocity - suggested "there actually could be something wrong with the well casing, and there could be open communication in the strata or the rock formations below the sea floor," Allen said.

Oil and gas are leaking from the seabed surrounding the BP Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico, Senator Bill Nelson of Florida told Andrea Mitchell today on MSNBC. Nelson, one of the most informed and diligent Congressmen on the BP gulf oil spill issue, has received reports of leaks in the well, located in the Mississippi Canyon sector. This is potentially huge and devastating news.

If Nelson is correct in that assertion, and he is smart enough to not make such assertions lightly, so I think they must be taken at face value, it means the well casing and well bore are compromised and the gig is up on containment pending a completely effective attempt to seal the well from the bottom via successful “relief wells”. In fact, I have confirmed with Senator Nelson’s office that they are fully aware of the breaking news and significance of what the Senator said to Andrea Mitchell.

 

 

Link from CNN. Some details about his speech:

The official said Obama will talk about the reorganization of minerals management at the Department of Interior.

Along with the containment strategy, he will also discuss BP's claims process and what Obama's administration is doing to make it fast, efficient and transparent and to insure its independence from BP.

Obama will talk about the beginning of a process to restore the Gulf to a place better than it was before the Deepwater Horizon exploded. He will also mention what must be done to decrease dependence on oil and other fossil fuels.

 

Allow me to change the subject for a moment.

Suzi, please explain to me how on earth Vitter can be ahead in recent polls by 20 points!!!! This is maddening! Can you talk some sense into your neighbors or are they just that hard-headed???

Update: This assessment from TPM gives me some hope:

And then there's Louisiana, where for the first time since a major sex scandal, Sen. David Vitter (R) will have to face the voters. For the time being, he remains solidly ahead. If you believe the Republican firm Magellan strategies, he leads Democrat Charlie Melancon by 20 points. But a Democratic PPP poll due out tomorrow has Vitter up by only 9 (46-37). And that's before the Democrats have taken aim at Vitter's troubled past.

In a sneak preview for TPM of the Democrats' strategy, a Louisiana strategist says Dems and their surrogates will both directly remind voters of Vitter's transgressions, and use that history, along with his voting record, to dominate the female vote.

"I think you'll see Democrats and outside groups, including disaffected Republicans, members of the Tea Party movement, reminding folks about Vitter's scandal," the Democratic strategist told me.

The revelation that Vitter had frequented prostitutes came at the best (or least harmful) possible time for him, years before his next election. But once voters are reminded of the details, Democrats hope they'll be able to capitalize, particularly with women.

"[T]here will be devastating television ads and mailers pointing out that Vitter voted against equal pay for women, he voted against a law designed to help rape victims, to make sure rape victims get their day in court, he voted against SCHIP--in Louisiana called LACHIP--and consistently voted against female nominees," the strategist added.

Add to that the fact that the general election field is likely to be peppered with conservative underdogs--including a libertarian candidate and a Tea Party-backed independent--all of whom should take votes away from Vitter, and it's not hard to imagine that race becoming competitive in the end.

 

Please talk me down regarding opposition to the drilling moratorium.

First of all, Haley Barbour says the moratorium on drilling is worse than the oil spill. Considering his stance thus far, I am not shocked. But I am concerned with Jindal's efforts on this. I always saw him as level headed and I don't understand why he would allow workers in his state to be put in danger. What can we make of this from Bobby Jindal? The idea that deep water drilling must continue and is somehow safe while oil gushes relentlessly as he files this brief is just baffling to me. Understanding that jobs are impacted, Pres. Obama (in his "Chicago-style shakedown") had BP set aside $100,000 million for the unemployed rig workers during this moratorium. Am I missing something? Is the government just missing the kick-backs and perks? Going through withdrawl? Can you imagine if a court rules that the moratorium must be lifted and another accident occurs?

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's (R) office announced today that he filed an amicus brief in support of a lawsuit granting an injunction to stop President Obama's moratorium on deepwater drilling.

The brief argues that states are entitled to participate in the policy and decision-making process by the federal government on issues relating to the exploration and development of Outer Continental Shelf minerals and requires the Secretary of Interior to cooperate with affected states. The brief states, "Inasmuch as the State of Louisiana was completely ignored by defendants in the establishment of this moratorium for alleged safety reasons, the question arises whether that failure renders Defendants' action invalid."

Per the New Orleans Times-Picayune: "U.S. District Court Judge Martin Feldman said today that he will decide on whether to issue a preliminary injunction against the six-month deepwater drilling moratorium by noon Wednesday."

 

Perhaps it is because Gov. Jindal unlike President Obama (and all previous presidents) understands the reality of energy in America.

Here's a very good article from Robert Samuelson on this issue:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/20/AR2010062002368.html

Among other very factual points, Samuelson states:

"Human error and corner-cutting by BP seem the main causes of the spill. Given the industry's previously strong safety record, Obama's six-month moratorium on deepwater drilling isn't justified and should be shortened."

I urge everyone to read the whole column.

Brandon-Name one oil company that has come to the rescue with knowledge or any clue as to how to plug this oil spill. NO OIL COMPANIES HAVE A PLAN!!!! This is insane. If just one little thing goes wrong-bang. We are on another suicide path! All the oil companies including BP have been assuring us for years that they've got safety under control and none of them has a solution. They don't even have prevention plans that make sense. Some talk about walruses in the Gulf and give contact info of dead people in their emergency plans! And they were given permits!!!! So you really think it's wise for Jindal to trust any of these clowns when they have been deceptive for years? They may have a clean record on paper but we know how tight they have been with the inspectors, so you don't think they've been getting a pass all this time, failure after failure, inspectors looking the other way if enough money is given? Come on, 9 men died and Jindal is willing to have blood on his hands if something should happen again because "he understands the reality of energy in America?" Would you feel the same way if your brother was one of those killed because of all the corner-cutting? How about if they lift the ban and in 3 months another tragedy hits and your dad is killed on a rig just because they couldn't wait a few more months for comprehensive safety measures to be taken, they were just too impatient, our energy needs just couldn't wait. Sorry, Brandon, my stomach feels sick every time I see that oil gushing and if this doesn't open our eyes to the need to be less dependent on oil AND TO DO REAL INSPECTIONS AND INVESTIGATIONS OF ALL THE DEEP WATER RIGS-even if it takes a year, I'm not sure what will. Jindal may be seeing our energy needs quite clearly, but he is not seeing the faces of the dead and their distraught families, the destruction of wildlife, marine life, and the environment. He is blind to that, just like Barbour and all those Republicans sticking up for BP. Pathetic.

 

Kelly, 

First of all let me say that the oil spill has been heartbreaking and depressing to me.  The Gulf Coast is my favorite part of the country and is like a second home to me.  I have been fascinated (obsessed) with the culture, history, food and music of the Gulf Coast since I was a small child.  For the first time in my entire life, I will not be spending the last week of June on the Coast which has been a tradition in my family since the 1930s when my grandparents started going to Biloxi that week.  I can't put into words the emotions I feel to see Orange Beach, Alabama go from being paradise to being a toxic dump all because of the greed of BP Oil.

The 6 month drilling moratorium is symbolism over substance.  I trust Gov. Jindal more than I do anyone in Washington as to what is in the best interest of Louisiana. There is no reason why the government can't inspect the other wells to make sure they don't have safety problems. There is no reason why this should take six months.  BP has proved they are unfit to drill in the gulf and should be banned maybe forever, but there is no reason to punish the other companies who practice good safety and to punish the economy of Louisiana.

What I really hate is people trying to score political points over this issue while oil is still gushing into the gulf.  I'm angry over Republicans that are loving this because it has made Pres. Obama look weak and inept to many and I'm angry over Democrats who are all aglow because it makes the tea party mantra of little government look bad and think they might can score some points in favor of "cap and trade."

I'm sorry to take out my frustration on you (I know putting things in cap's = yelling and I'm not a yeller and you aren't someone who deserves to be yelled at, even in cyberland!) SORRY! I just feel like the easy response is to pretend this never happened and that it can't happen again because "those oil companies know what their doing" (they only have a huge environmental disaster every few decades, afterall.) So we continue to make the same mistakes, trust that the corporations will just police themselves, no major check is needed, etc. For the sake of those men who died, 6 months is only moments in time to save other lives and prevent other disasters. Until we know what happened, why, and how all oil companies can respond more effectively should a leak occur in the future, I just don't feel comfortable giving the thumbs up. I'm not saying no drilling, just no risky drilling in miles deep water until this review is complete. I applaud Pres. Obama for taking the unpopular stand on this and holding firm. That's leadership.

I'm going to address your concerns Izzy, as well as Brandon's.  My thoughts on offshore drilling are in a state of flux right now, so I'm not positioning pro or con...just explaining from the point of view of one who lives in Louisiana (as I see it).

Brandon, I read the whole column, as well as many others like it.  What Samuelson says is true, to a point...we are so dependent on fossil fuels it's hard to find a way out.  (Wind, solar fields, etc ...no one wants the transmission lines.)  BUT....

As one who long touted the safety record of drilling as justification, and as one who smells the oil almost daily, I've learned one thing.  It only takes ONCE, and up to now, we've been lucky.  There are no guarantees it won't happen again tomorrow, or next week.

The other oil companies...Although I doubt if any others are as careless as BP, we don't know that.  Look at how much we've learned about BP since the explosion.  While many other companies are drilling in deep water, none of them have a workable response plan. Every one has been called upon, and admitted they had no idea what to do.  At least four companies filed the same erroneous response plan with MMS, up to an including walruses.  They all said they could handle a spill worse than this one.  They all lied.

I've been very proud of Gov Jindal's handling of this disaster.  Yes, he wants what is good for Louisiana.  But here's what you're missing....He's looking out for the economy of the whole state.  Drilling is the major portion of state income, not just for the Gulf Coast.  The fishing/tourism part of our economy is already in shambles.  Losing oil revenue would be crippling.  I understand that and can understand his position on it.  BUT.....

Jindal needs to put the numbers in context.  There are between 3800 and 4000 rigs in the Gulf.  Only 33 are affected by the moratorium.  Less than 1%....hardly crippling to the economy.  The rigs that drill the wells are movable...the real fear is they will not want to wait, and will move elsewhere.  I think that's a false premise, as the deposits in the Gulf are so huge, the oil companies will want to tap them.  I think they fear the tough inspections they will likely face.

The inspections needed on the rigs under the moratorium go far beyond routine inspections. Diagrams, permits etc must be examined, and the rigs tested from top to bottom, piece by piece.  Six months seems like a small price to pay for the safety, health and survival of the Gulf Coast and all who inhabit it. 

We CANNOT take a chance on this happening again.  I hope Obama doesn't back down on this until all rigs are rigorously gone over and certified as really safe....not the careless, rubber stamp inspections we've seen in the past.  I pray the judge rules in favor of the moratorium.  It will be what's best for us in the long run. 

 

As a Gulf Coast, Island resident with oil rigs just off the coast and refinaries to the north of me,  I second what you say Suzi.

We can and will survive a 6 month stand down in deep water drilling.

Thanks for putting all of that in perspective, Suzi. If Pat echoes your sentiments, that just reaffirms your case. As I have said before, I don't generally have negative feelings towards Jindal and feel he has done a pretty good job with this crisis. I understand the imortance of these rigs on the economy there, but how many more massive accidents will it take for him and others like him to realize you spend or lose more money by taking short cuts and not inspecting properly (not to mention lives)? I saw people on CNN this morning (I think connected to the oil industry-can we say biased?) saying these rigs will leave permanently, the moratorium will really be 1.5-2 years, and we'll all pay at least $1 more per gallon if the judge allows this to continue. Oh, and they said we were making harsh decisions like this because our "emotions over-rule common sense" when we see the image of the oil pouring out each day. Excuse my French but WTF??? It IS emotional to see that and think it could happen again because it is REAL. Who thinks it's ok to gamble American lives and the future of our environment? I guess when it comes to $$$, we know the answer.

If I am out at a bar with a Joe, a friend who drinks alot, has had DWI's, and has even hurt people when driving drunk and he asks me for the keys to drive home, I would certainly refuse. But what if I am also with Matt, who drinks alot but appeared to have a "clean" record? He has driven a little drunk before but never got caught (well, he knows a few cops or judges who may have let him off.) He never hurt anyone-at least not yet-so should I give him the keys to drive? I think not. BP is the drunk with the record but those other oil rigs are not perfect-I'm sure they cover up their problems well (pay offs?) and don't get caught (fire people who try to report glitches.) They certainly don't have a real plan in the case of problems. That we do know for sure. These are facts. The best of the best in the oil industry are scratching their heads as to how to fix this.

If this judge rules to lift the moratorium (which I am guessing is likely since many judges have connections to the industry) he better pray, along with Jindal, Barbour and all the other "don't worry-these rigs are all safe" leaders that nothing happens. It only takes one misstep for this nightmare to double or triple. Is it worth the risk?

Judge rules against Obama administration. Oil companies continue to get their way. When this end? WHen will safety come first?

From Wall Street Journal. Seems fair to me. The Adminstration seems to be asking for real plans from oil executives to prove they could handle a leak like the BP one by July 2nd if the administration is to consider modifying the moratorium. The question is: do any of these companies have a plan or a clue? Maybe that's why they left the meeting with Salazar disappointed. Like the rich kid with the powerful daddy at a private school, they are used to getting their way without showing effort or having to turn in homework.

House Democrats leading a probe into the BP oil spill in the meantime put new questions to the chiefs of the other oil companies. In letters to the executives of Exxon, Chevron, Royal Dutch Shell Plc (RDSA) and Conocophillips (COP), House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D, Calif.) and two subcommittee chairs asked the executives whether their oil-spill response plans in the Gulf of Mexico "were adequate to protect the Gulf region from the consequences of a subsea blowout similar to the blowout" at BP's Macondo well.

The lawmakers asked for a response by Friday, July 2. Oil-spill response plans are among the factors being weighed by the Obama administration as it considers whether to revise the moratorium.

Salazar has told lawmakers Wednesday that he is considering issuing a new, scaled-back moratorium that would replace a moratorium that was struck down last week by a federal judge. The Justice Department has appealed the decision, asking a court to allow the ban to remain in place during a legal challenge. 

BP is such a joke… they should all be arrested along with the US govt.  How long ago did they cap the leak? And how many legitimate claims are still “pending” from damages they suffered back in the beginning of the summer?  I happen to know three people that were affected directly by BP’s shady PR tactics and manipulation of our laws, one of whom was a journalist who was almost arrested and charged with felonies for taking pictures of oil covered animals near the coast.  Not only is it bad enough that thousands of fishers’ lively hoods are ruined for god knows how many years to come, they were paid a pathetic amount of money to clean up BP’s own mess.  To add even more insult to injury, BP used Corexit 9527, which contains mainly 2-butoxyethanol, which is very toxic.  You wouldn’t have to be a scientist to know that, since in the first week of using it over 70 fisherman ended up at the hospital. Of course if you even inquired about this, I’m sure the govt (which is pretty much owned by oil companies) would deal with you quite quickly, let alone taking pictures of it in an attempt to run a story on it.  If you didn’t know already, the govt is doing what they do best… crapping on the 1st amendment:  naturalnews.com/029130_Gulf_of_Mexico_censorship.html   My friend who almost got arrested on felony charges simply went out on a boat into about 30 feet of water and used a water proof cam to photograph one of the many oil plumes forming at the bottom of the surface (which BP vehemently denies).  Now here comes the hilarious part.  He switched the film in his camera with a blank one in the event they were stopped by police, which they were as soon as they got back to shore.  They let him go but still took his name down, and what do you know... later that night, 2 guys wearing black hoodies attempted to break into his house.  He caught pics of them on his home security system (he saved the pics… adt wireless  camera break in photos).  Hmm, I wonder who paid these guys to break in and what they were after?  Definitely not BP or our govt, that’s for sure!
Considering you're in CA and I'm deep in Louisiana and near the coast, I have a strong suggestion for you.  Stop getting your information from PGI, Gregg Hall and other conspiracy theorists.  Things are still bad enough down here, but getting better.  What we DON'T need is all of the misinformation taking the focus off of clean up and restoration.

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