You are hereForums / Past Elections / 2010 State Elections / Primary Highlights & 2010 Strategy

Primary Highlights & 2010 Strategy

By Kelly Thomas - Posted on 04 June 2010

From The Examiner, TPM & Real Clear Politics:

There were some interesting results for the primaries held on June 1st and we've got some big ones coming up next week, so I thought it was worth a thread of it's own.


In the Democratic race for Governor, the Sparks win was a big surprise. Arthur Davis could have made history as the first African American governor of Alabama but it looks like distancing yourself from African American endorsements and voting against health care reform really hurt him. The polls were WAY off.

In the Republican Congressional primary, party-switcher Griffith was handily defeated. I guess this party-switching thing is not great for one's election chances. Maybe Spector should have warned him??

really doom the future of the Republican party.

New Mexico:

Latina wins Republican primary for Governor.


In the Republican battle for a House seat, McGlowan, the Fox News commentator/Tea Party darling went down big time and is now refusing to officially endorse the "Rino" who won. Look for the Rino vs. True Republican inner battle for 2010. I stand by my contention that the Tea Party may

To watch next week:

Arkansas Runoff (6/8)
California (6/8)
Nevada (6/8)
South Carolina (6/8)

Newsweek has a good article examining Democrat's plan to win in 2010: lower expectations, get out those first time voters from 2008, and take advantage of the Tea Party inflicting wounds upon the Republican Party.



Here's a great link to tonight "Super Tuesday" primary results from TPM. Looks like a nail-biter in Arkansas. Lincoln might just pull this off. I was really hoping for a Halter win mainly because of Lincoln's special interest influence and being against the public option. Maybe the Bill Clinton/ Barack Obama endorsements made a difference.

Update: AP called it for Lincoln. Wow. Nobody expected that. The only consolation is that we won't hear from the media: "President Obama's endorsement does not seem to help candiates" or "Obama should have done more if he really supported Lincoln" like they did after the Spector primary. And now the media lost their narrative that all incumbants will lose. Also, it does seem Lincoln has the better shot against the GOP candidate. Not a Lincoln fan, but I'd prefer her to the GOP candiate since she is conservative enough, thank you very much!

Haley who is running for SC Governor-the lady men like to say they had affairs with and the one who was called a "rag head" by a fellow Republican just missed a full victory. She needed 50% to avoid a run-off but got 49%.

I'm ready to check out the Nevada returns now. I think chicken-lady is going down and Reid will face Angle, the Tea Party candidate, who wants to do away with Social Security. Should be interesting...

Yes, Reid-the "most likely to be kicked out of the Senate" guy will probably face this woman. No wonder he has been smiling so much lately. The worst thing for us is: what if she wins????

Looking good for Sharron Angle tonight. But get this. We have a story coming out tomorrow that she's a big supporter of the Oath Keepers, the group which says members of the armed forces and police don't have to follow orders they don't believe are constitutional and also pledge not to enforce orders to heard patriotic Americans into detention camps.

Polls show Republican nominee Rep. Boozman defeating Sen. Lincoln in November by an average of 25%.

For the incumbent to be behind by that much in June means almost certain defeat. I'm not sure what she could say or do to make up that much ground in less than 5 months.

Arkansas should be an easy Republican Senate pickup which makes me very happy. 

Lincoln is in difficulty but she is not dead yet; she is a good campaigner and has Clinton and the White House behind her -- double edged swords to be sure but swords none the less. If she goes down, I will consider it an object lesson, since she foot dragged on health care and helped drag it out.(I remain convinced that the political damage to  Democrats on health care reform came from the momentum-killing opposition by the Blue Dogs and Obama's absurd and bungled efforts at appeasement. This weakened his power and gave  the momentum to health care reform opponents.

If she tanks, she tanked herself-- with a little help from Obama, who runs the dunking booth.  

Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons (R) has been thrown out of office after a tumultuous term that was marred by a bitter divorce and allegations of infidelities.

Arkansas should be an easy Republican Senate pickup which makes me very happy.

And many of us here very sad.

Good-bye Moderate voice of the Republican Party. It's been nice knowing you. Be careful running out that door to join the Democratic or Independent Party. Those Tea Partiers will be sticking their feet out to trip you on the way out.

Here's Boozman's "report card" on issues.  I was hoping he'd show a moderate side but he looks pretty conservative down the line.

As for Lincoln's fate, well, the polls were wrong in a couple races recently (even Rasmussan predicted a Halter win) so never say never.

Here's an example from 538 showing Iowa polling that was way off. Branstad still won but only by about 10%.

11:13 PM [Nate]. A extremely rare screw-up by the Selzer poll in Iowa, which was calling for a big (26-point) Branstad win; in fact, he's leading Vander Plaats by just 10.

"And many of us here very sad."

Kelly, I take it you now no longer identify as a Republican in any sense.  I haven't seen you support any Republican candidate in awhile, but have seen you cheer many Democrats and those like Gov. Crist who go independent.

I'm not being critical.  It is your right and your conscience to support those who you feel best represent your political and social views.  While it saddens me that you no longer feel there is any good in the Republican Party, I respect your views.


Kelly, I take it you now no longer identify as a Republican in any sense. I haven't seen you support any Republican candidate in awhile, but have seen you cheer many Democrats and those like Gov. Crist who go independent.

Well, I guess I am not a Republican as it is newly defined these days. That is, defined by extremist Tea Partiers who want me to be against anything our president proposes (or those RINO's like Snowe, Collins and Brown who dare vote for anything the president puts out, even a debt commission!) want me to be against higher taxes even though they complain loudest about the debt, want me to be against health care reform even though our current system is unsustainable and many of my own neighbors are hurting, want me to pretend the "bail out" and stimulus were unnecessary and ineffective (even though experts point out it saved us from economic meltdown of depression magnitudes) and I should vote against anyone who supported those things even though it was the right thing to do. They want me to scream about the government being too involved yet bash the president for not doing enough on the oil spill (a result of the government not being involved enough with greedy oil companies BTW.) In addition, they want me to think it's okay for Hispanic-looking people to be questioned without just cause and put in jail if they don't have ID-just because they look different or have an accent. Oh, and they put a guy who has doubts about whether Civil Rights legislation was a good thing on the ticket for Senate in Kentucky. They want me to think gay marriage and allowing gays to openly serve in the military will doom our country. Some even want me to think we should abolish Social Security, the Department of Education and/or that the President was not born here. This party has one platform: "just say no." In a time when we desperately need immigration reform? NO. Climate change legislation? NO. I could go on and on but I say NO to such extremism. I supported a "real" Republican-Governor Crist. Like him, I did not leave the Republican Party. It left me. I am still registered R but will likely change that when I have to renew my driver's license.

I'm not being critical.  It is your right and your conscience to support those who you feel best represent your political and social views.  While it saddens me that you no longer feel there is any good in the Republican Party, I respect your views.

Let me ask you this. Your conscience allows you to support a party that allowed itself to be raped and defined by the extremist Tea Party? By the likes of Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman? By Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh? You were supportive of Sen. Brown in Massachusetts. Have you seen how they have ripped him apart for any "moderate" views or heaven forbid voting for anything the president proposes, even jobs bills? They are already talking about running a Tea Party candidate against  that "RINO" Brown. This doesn't bother you? Are you comfortable with the result of this "movement" in Nevada where Reid-the guy who was supposed to fall so easily-is now facing a woman who wants to end Social Security and supports militia uprisings-and he may actually win? As a Republican, you really want to associate yourself with supporting such bad candidates? My conscience is happy to distance itself from what the Republican Party has become, but you seem to support it just because it IS the Republican Party, despite the shifts from sanity, despite the poor candidates being spit out. I respect your choices, too, but I think you message to the Tea Party take-over of the GOP is a big thumbs up and if more and more people don't question it or stand up to it, the Republican Party will consist of a bunch of old extremist white guys (kind of looks like that already) and eventually become extinct.

Let me point out, overall the Tea Party won last night and showed it's influence in our party and it is scary. There were only a few exceptions but even they are backed into a corner. For example, even though Fiorina (CA) was not a Tea Party candidate, she won big. However, the extreme movement forced her to go really far right, even on immigration. I think that stance could really benefit Boxer in the general so let's see how much she is "allowed" to dial back.

So part of my beef with the movement is that it may hurt the party in the fall elections. That huge predicted GOP victory may fall short. Moderates win general elections in most parts of the country-it's just a fact. So this "dream movement" of Tea Party enthusiam may turn into a nightmare for the GOP. I kind of hope it does so they rethink this little arrangement of getting into bed with the Tea Party extremists. The cost is too great to the future of this party IMO. If there is a major leap away form the Tea Party (which will only happen with huge defeat in November I'm afraid) I'll consider staying a Republican. Currently, they have a sign on their door: Moderates not welcome.  So they won't miss me too much when I'm gone, some will even cheer my departure.

From 538. 

12:56 AM [Tom]. If either Sharron Angle loses this November, letting a vulnerable and high-prized target for Republicans like Harry Reid slip through, or if Rand Paul gums up the race so much he loses what otherwise should have been a surefire Republican hold in Kentucky--and certainly if both lose--there is a going to be a major reassessment of the value of the tea party to the Republican Party a la what Marc Ambinder wrote about a week ago. 


But for every Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman the Republicans have, there is an Alan Grayson or Dennis Kucinich on the Democratic side.
For ever Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh on the right, there is a Bill Maher or Mike Malloy on the left.  So I think both parties are pretty even when it comes to crazies.
You are right nobody can be pure enough for the Tea Partiers, but the Democrats have their special interest groups they can't control.  Unions spent $10 million of their members money trying to defeat Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas.
I supported Scott Brown, who I think is very much a moderate but if I remember you didn't have much good to say about him. I also supported Gov. Crist until he turned out to stand for nothing other than getting himself elected.
Surely there must be some Republican candidate for office in 2010 that you support?  
I'd vote for Jerry Brown over Meg Whitman for CA governor even though I'm sure I would disagree with Brown on over 50% of the issues and I think he's a retread from the 1970s. But I think Brown is more honest and consistent than Whitman and has always been a man of integrity who will be truthful to the voters about the state's problems.

But the Democratic Party is not recruiting extreme left candidates. Candidates are not being told: if you don't act like Grayson or Kucinich, take a hike-you're not pure enough. Grayson and Kucinich are the exceptions, not the rule. Just look at how Obama pushed for Lincoln, the more Moderate candidate, precisely because she was more "centered." Yes, I see Progressive groups and some unions working hard for the more progressive candidates (and who can blame them when people like Lincoln turned a blind eye to the popular notion of the public option due to ties with special interests?) but not the DNC or the party as a whole. The difference between Beck/Limbaugh and Maher/Malloy is that the first set plays a major role in the Republican/Tea Party. They set the stage for dialogue and purity tests and what they do and say is never questioned (without major consequence to the person who dares critique them) no matter how divisive or misguided. They are considered PART of the establishment. On the Dem. side, Maher/Malloy are not even mentioned as influential. Most Dem. voters probably don't even know who they are, yet polls show voters on the right have rated Rush as one of the LEADERS of the Republican Party. They all know him well, along with Beck. Sure, many Democrats may enjoy Maher/Malloy in their down time but taking them seriously like they do Limbaugh/Beck? Hardly! When was the last time a Democrat was critical of Maher or Malloy and had to apologize the next day?

As for Republicans I support, I generally support Collins and Snowe, although they are bashed whenever they try to negotiate or so much as smile at the President. So they disappoint me when they give in to the conservative pressure on certain issues, like the debt commission which they even sponsored yet voted against! I have come to warm up to Brown with his supportive votes on jobs bills, etc. but as I warm up, he gets the cold shoulder from Tea Party groups for selling out-so what does that tell you? So my frustration is with the Republican Party as a whole and it makes me not want to vote for ANY Republicans because I don't want to vote for an institution that no longer believes in negotiation and compromise or moderation and won't even stand up to clear racism at Tea Party rallies. The GOP is in the minority yet it's "my way or the highway" to hell with what's good for the country. The debt commission is a huge example of what turns me off. What about Graham co-writing the climate bill, even writing an op-ed on how important it is and then, like a little baby, saying he won't vote for his own bill if they even murmur the word "immigration reform." Pathetic. We need both climate change legislation and immigration reform, the GOP knows it, and because they have a little power known as the fillibuster, they will try to make sure neither sees the light of day. Their goal is seeing the President fail, even if it means seeing America fail. I am hopeful the Snowe's, Collin's, and Brown's can change this scenario by doing the right thing and being supportive of important legislation. I will be cheering if that happens, but you know at the same time I cheer they will be faced with threats, warnings, and hatred from the far right. And we all know the lashing they will get from Limbaugh and Beck! I just don't want to associate myself with that. Democrats seem much more accepting of diverisity in terms of "allowing" moderate and even conservative voices (at the frustration of porgressive groups, let me tell you!) Seeing candidates like Rand Paul & Angle, and how the GOP-as a unit-embraces people like Palin, Bachman, Rush and Beck tells me this party wants to take the nation backwards, not forward, and that is highly offensive and unappealing to me. 

They arent because they already have Pelosi, Boxer, Reid, Kucinich and otheres and the ones they have that are up for re-election are going to lose or are in a lot of danger.

Is Snowe the girl behind this Cybersecurity bill?

Facts are more important than labels

For ever(y)  Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh on the right, there is a Bill Maher or Mike Malloy on the left."

Bogus comparison. Limbaugh started out as a non party affiliated conservative.  He was courted by Bush 41 and Quayle and became a Republican mouth piece.  He stayed as Bush I's guest in the White House.  He partnered with Gingrich in the '94 conservative sweep and spoke at Gingrich's CONTRACT FOR AMERICA  victory rally..   Even the right now admits that Fox News is an operative for the Republicans, or is it the other way around? (David Frum: We used to think that Fox News worked for us[the Republican Party]; now we work for them.

Maher, Malloy,Olbermann, Jon Stewart, Maddow -- all biased as can be to be sure -- have ZERO clout inside the Democratic Party and don't want it. They may embarrass a liberal or moderate politician now and then on a given issue but they are not part and parcel of the party or its politicians.  (You have never, and you WILL never, see a democratic party politician or official of any stature who will apologize to one of these liberal media flacks.)

True, in the last three years, MSNBC evening programming has tried to do something along the lines of left-wing political programming that apes Fox strong right wing pitch (about 5 hrs a night, 5 days a week) as compared with Fox's 7 days/around the clock right wing flacking for 14 years.  And at their worst, Olbermann, Maddow, and Schultz are lame counterparts to the worst of Fox News "talent."

But any suggestion that "both sides" cancel each other out on media bias and direct political influence  has no bearing in reality.

I agree with one of your points, the MSNBC hosts are "lame."

Kelly's question to me was does my conscience allow me to be part of a party increasingly defined by Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.  My counter was that my conscience wouldn't allow me to be part of a political philosophy that included Bill Maher or Mike Malloy as its proponents.  

The liberal pundits certainly don't have the audience of the right wing ones and they may have little official influence in the Democratic Party.  But to say that liberals on tv like Chris Matthews or Jon Stewart have no influence in current American political discourse is not living in reality.

Many here talk about Beck or Limbaugh or Hannity as engaging in hateful rhetoric and in trying to divide Americans.   My main point is the pundits on the left are just as hateful and just as divisive.


"My main point is the pundits on the left are just as hateful and just as divisive."

I am all for having a smear down on this one.

In the 1990s, Limbaugh issued an announcement of a "report" that would show the Clintons were involved as conspirators in a murder plot against  oVince Foster. The 'report' has never been issued, no hint of proof has ever been produced and Limbaugh has never retracted the assertion.

Limbaugh referred to the then teenage Chelsea Clinton as the White House Dog.

Beck said that Obama hates white people (even boss Ailes admitted that was off base).

Ann Coulter, responding to the very public campaigns against Bush and Iraq  of several 9/11 widows, wrote "These broads are millionaires...reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis. I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much."  (Bill O'Reilly called her out on that one).

My main point is that your main point is horse waste.

Your turn, dude. Let's see what ya got.

PS. Limbaugh: Michael J. Fox is faking his Multiple Sclerosis symptoms. (Actually I take that one back.  Limbaugh, a native Missourian, said that after the actor did a pro-McCaskell/pro-stem cell  tv ad in the 06 Missouri Senate campaign. Old Rushbo forgot about all those  midwest young Republican, first-time female voters who grew up with posters of Michael J. Fox on their bedroom walls. McKaskill was something like 3 points behind the R-incumbent going into the last ten days, but her polls and national fundraising jumped after Limbaugh's video mockery of Fox went virtal. More than one R/Conservative  in the blogosphere blamed his Rushness for the Republican loss in Missouri

No points awarded to me for that one, Brandon. My gift to you.)



"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda -- worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was." -- MSNBC's Keith Olbermann

"Why couldn't, uh, why couldn't have (Rush Limbaugh) croaked from it instead of Heath Ledger?" -- Bill Maher

"At least half of the [Ten] Commandments are stupid!" -- Bill Maher

 ...the total mindless, morally bankrupt, knee-jerk, fascistic hatred — without which Michelle Malkin would just be a big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it. -- Keith Olbermann

 Do you remember tea baggers? It was just so much easier when we could just call them racists. I just don't know why we can't call them racists, or functionally retarded adults. The functionally retarded adults, the racists - with their cries of, ‘I want my country back. You know what they're really saying is, ‘I want my white guy back.' They apparently had no problem at all for the last eight years of habeas corpus being suspended, the Constitution being [expletive] on, illegal surveillance, lied to on a war or two, two stolen elections - yes, the John Kerry one was stolen too. That's not tin-foil hat time. That's just..." -- Janeane Garofalo

The real internal terrorists are the Republicans, I mean, isn't that clear? Rush Limbaugh is a bigger threat to this country than Osama bin Laden. He's a bigger threat than anybody that the CIA can invent. He's a bigger threat than any terrorist that ever leveled its sights against the United States, Limbaugh is, so why isn't he arrested and sentenced for treason?... -- Mike Malloy

The Republicans lie! They want to see you dead! They’d rather make money off your dead corpse! They kind of like it when that woman has cancer and they don’t have anything for her. -- Ed Schultz

I have a good news to report; Glen Beck appears closer to suicide - I'm hoping that he does it on camera; suicide is rampant in his family, and given his alcoholism and his tendencies towards self-destruction, I am only hoping that when Glen Beck does put a gun to his head and pulls the trigger, that it will be on television, because somebody will capture it on YouTube and it will be the most popular video for months. -- Mike Malloy 

Not bad... and I'll give you points on the board for that first Olbermann Al Quaeda quote. (By the way, you can have free points for's Gen Petreus = BetrayUs. That one comes right from the sewer. They got their a&&e& handed to them for that one ... and should have).


Death wishes for Beck or Limbaugh are incredibly stupid and morally low ball but are more than offset by Huckabee  and Liz Trotter making televised jokes about shooting Obama.

The 10 commandments snark is canceled out  by the torrent of anti-Muslim spew from the Right. (Can you say "Raghead")

Publicly humiliating a teenage girl, ginning up a murder accusation for entertainment, and saying widows of 9/11 enjoyed their husbands' death as evidenced by their disagreement with a now thoroughly discredited foreign policy... in a class by themselves.

A hard fought match, but I take it on points. Good game,dude.



Stephen Colbert may or may not have been mentioned, but if he was, just to keep the facts straight, he is actually a registered Democrat. I've looked this up already and it is completely true.

"want me to pretend the "bail out" and stimulus were unnecessary and ineffective (even though experts point out it saved us from economic meltdown of depression magnitudes)"

Do you have political views or is all about what "experts" say? I mean, only a handful of western governments are running a budget deficit above 10% and they are EXTREMELY worried and passing draconian cuts (Greece, UK, Spain...). And Germany, whose budget deficit was 3% in 2009, has passed a Constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget from 2016. 

For me is a cultural revolution to see Europe behave in orthodox way as opposed to American keynesian path. Even some American mainstream media accuse European "deficit hawks" of causing a double dip recession or depression. Who is moving far to the left??



I'm still trying to digest the fact that Orly Taitz was a Republican candidate for Sec of State in California.
State Rep. Tim Scott, South Carolina's only black state representative faces a runoff against Paul Thurmond, a Charleston County councilman and son of late Sen. Strom Thurmond, for an open congressional seat.

For election geeks out there, 538 always has a good play-by-play and analysis to examine. Polling off for chicken lady, too. Angle only winning by 2% at this point against Lowden.

Maybe a media narrative should be: women win big. Maybe a trend to seat more women or maybe just more women out there trying this time around?

Fiorina and Whitman... Well, trying to buy a seat has not been good for Linda McMahon in CT.

Thank goodness Orly Taitz was crushed-gives me some hope!

I love that Scott/Thurmond match-up. I'll have to do some research on Scott, but my gut tells me to shout: go Tim Scott! Not many African American Republican candidates, so that's refreshing to see, but I'm sure it's an uphill battle for any minority in SC.

Here's the DNC spin on election night: GOP hijacked by the Tea Party.

As the Republican Party nominates Tea Party candidates, or sees its establishment candidates lurch to the right to fend off Tea Party challenges, it will be saddled with the Tea Party's positions, views and rhetoric, all of which are increasingly falling flat with the American people. The Republican Party will have to sell a platform to general election voters this fall based on their nominees' out-of-the-mainstream positions like eliminating Medicare and Social Security, taking away federal aid to family farmers, opposing anti-discrimination laws, abolishing the Department of Education and DE-regulating Wall Street.

Back to Scott/Thurman In SC. I did not realize Scott is predicted to win that head to head match-up. Wow.

In perhaps the best news for Scott’s campaign, however, the new poll shows him easily outdistancing his top two opponents in a runoff eletion – which would take place on June 22 if no candidate receives 50 percent of the vote in the primary election on June 8.

For example, Scott enjoys a commanding 53-28 percent lead over Campbell and a 55-19 percent lead over Thurmond in competing runoff scenarios.

If elected, Scott would become the only African-American Republican in Congress.  Campbell, meanwhile, has been a member of a whites-only County Club in Columbia, S.C.

Talk about “change” versus the “good ole boys …”

Who is his Democratic opponent? Any polls on that match-up?


Who is his Democratic opponent? Any polls on that match-up?

Ben Frasier, 57, managed a 56-44 win in very light Democratic voting... a small-businessman who has run for this office 18 times. The 1st District has been in Republican hands since 1980.


It appears to me Scott will pull this off... their very own Clarence Thomas.

Here is something from MSNBC on this fall's matchup of Sharron Angle trying to unseat Harry Reid in Nevada.

Just as an aside, driving around Southern Nevada, I have seen more "Dump Reid" signs than anything in favor of the Senate Majority leader. That is very unscientific, however, and as the article points out, the race is now a dead heat (good news for Reid) and Reid will have a much bigger war chest. Sue Lowdon's comments about using chickens to pay for health care, while it may have been tongue-in-cheek, apparently doomed her against Tea Party darling Angle.


Meet Sharron Angle... In The Extreme

This woman wants to phase out Social Security? Yeah, that'll go over great with the Senior Citizen crowd.

Would like to outlaw alcohol.... in Nevada!  LOL  That'll go over well in Las Vegas.

and wants to shut down the IRS

Source: Rasmussen

6/9/10; 500 likely voters

2010 Senate

50% Angle (R), 39% Reid (D)

Over at the Las Vegas Gleaner blog they've referred to her as Obtuse Angle.:)  I really don't know about the chicken bartering as a tongue-in-cheek comment.  Lowden restated it at least once when questioned with no statements about it being a joke.
From TPM. What is in the water in South Carolina? Did you hear this mystery man, Greene, who had no campaign or website actually won the primary for Senate to go against DeMint? Now it appears he has a felony charge against him, the SC Democratic "powers" are asking him to bow out but it appears he won't do that. The story is getting pretty bizarre to follow. Did someone put him up to this? Although he does have military experience,  the guy is unemployed and lives with his parents. With the way SC rolls, maybe this is the one guy who can take down DeMint. LOL!
Sounds like Operation Chaos to me.  Unemployed but yet he manages to supply the $10,400 required for filing at the Democratic office.  They refused his personal check, but a few hours later he was back with one from a campaign account.  Although I would think it was hardly necessary as I don't think there's much chance of Demint losing in S.C.

 Someone please explain to me what abolishing the dept of education would look like?  Does that mean no federal oversight and states would have full control of their educational systems or does it mean the end of free education for the children of this country?


"Peace Cannot be kept by force.  It can only be achieved by understanding."

Albert Einstein

It means an already "dumb" country (by world standards) would likely become even dumber.

Some conservatives and almost all libertarians have long been in favor of abolishing the Dept. of Education.

The 1996 Republican Platform stated:  "The Federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula or to control jobs in the market place. This is why we will abolish the Department of Education."

Ronald Reagan in his first state of the union address said:   "The budget plan I submit to you on Feb. 8 will realize major savings by dismantling the Department of Education."

Even a moderate Republican like John McCain was in favor of this back in the 1990s.  He said on CNN in December 1994:  "I would certainly favor doing away with the Department of Energy and I think that given the origins of the Department of Education, I would favor doing away with it as well."

The argument in favor of this is that the Dept. of Education spends over $32 billion and employs over 5100 people and doesn't educate anybody since that is a state responsibility.

I doubt if any state is going to discontinue public education so eliminating the department would not mean the end of free education.

My own view is that like most agencies in the federal government, the Dept. of Education has become a bloated bureaucracy and could be scaled back.  However, in a worldwide high tech economy where the U.S. competes with emerging nations like India and China, education has never been more important.  The federal government should have some role in ensuring employers that a high school diploma in Mississippi or Arkansas is just as valid as one from Rhode Island or Oregon.

As for the Department of Energy-I sure hope the GOP doesn't keep embracing the idea of doing away with it. We need it now more than ever! They need to get with the times!

As for the SC "operation chaos" does anyone know if they hold open primaries or do they need to be a reg. Dem to vote in the Dem. primary? That would be pretty bad if Clyburn is correct that this was a scheme and they just happened to pick 3 black guys.

They have open primaries and those wonderful touch screen voting machines.  There is a lot of room in which to create chaos.  It just seems so stupid to screw with the system when there are very few solidly Democratic areas, and almost no chance that Demint won't get re-elected.  It reminds me of the Watergate shenanigans when there was  virtually no chance Nixon wasn't going to be re-elected.  Perhaps they're just crazy in S.C.
Tim Pawlenty is on the Daily Show tonight. Ugh....
Being as indirect as usual....Why can't anyone give a straight answer???  Ugh...

Pawlenty honest?   Hahahaha.  All he knows are his GOP talking points; cut spending and no new taxes.  He'll probably say he balanced the budget, but the main point is he deferred payment in a number of areas.  The budget deficit of almost $3 m will be $5 m in a year but he won't have to worry about it;  he'll no longer be governor.  Of course his no new taxes doesn't consider that cities have had to raise property taxes in order to survive.

He keeps on appearing here and there but Mr. No Personality isn't exactly becoming popular. 

More interesting stuff from South Carolina which may give confirmation to Clyburn's suspicions. Weird!

A Democratic primary challenger in South Carolina who has been accused of being a "plant" hired for his Congressional campaign a GOP consultant who as recently as late last year was the campaign manager for Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC), according to campaign finance reports.

Businessman Gregory Brown says he challenged Rep. James Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress, in the Democratic primary on Tuesday because he's worried about the state's poverty rates and failing schools. Clyburn (D-SC) charged this week that Brown is such a political novice that he must be a "plant."

Brown told TPM in an interview he was a legitimate candidate being targeted because he challenged a powerful incumbent. But his Federal Election Commission filings show his largest campaign payment was to a firm run by a GOP political consultant who is best known as Wilson's former campaign manager and who currently works for other South Carolina Republicans.

Did anyone see Greene's interview with Olberman? The guy obviously did not take public speaking classes. Yikes. Something is really fishy here.


I saw Alvin Greene's interview with what I'm guessing was a local reporter. Honestly, if he came to my office for a job, he would not be hired. I have no ideal what is with this guy. He was emotionless, inarticulate, there was nothing there.


From TPM. Looks like a high school teacher is organizing a write-in ballot campaign for SC Senate seat. Hey, given the fact that Greene won the primary, you just never know.
I know and I almost feel sorry for him. I am surprised he is agrreing to interviews. He can't put a sentence together, seems very nervous (like he's doing an oral report in front of his 7th grade class for the first time) and shows no emotion. I'm surpised they have not found relatives or past girlfriends to get the scoop on who he is and why he would do this. Very bizarre, indeed.
I'm just guessing, but the SC Democratic Party is some kinda weak.  They did not check this guy,,,, unemployed, left military with what seem like questionable circumstances, living with his parents, felony charges. Where did he come up with the 10k to run for US Senate when he is still collecting unemployment?  Apparently he has not filed any quarterly reports w/the FEC which is a crime.  Something is up.

The good folks at Balloon Juice (founded by former Republicans) think that Alvin Greene is a plant.  Though, they can't figure out who would plant him, or why since DeMint's seat is generally considered safe.     

*** Note use of "colorful language". 


Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is. 

-- Benjamin Franklin

Misplaced post... sorry.

Plant or not, the  head of the SC state Democratic committee--whoever that is-- needs to...ummm...get a sudden desire to spend more time with his/her family. By say MONDAY.

Even if Greene is a plant, Inspector Clouseau could have caught this early on and the party could have raised hell, privately or publicly, about this guy and his candidacy right out of the gate.

The party has to have SOME control, besides a 10K deposit, as to who gets on the ballot with the party's name. Even an interview with the state leadership -- with or without party veto power for the nomination -- so they know who or what gets to use its name in an election.

Unless there is massive rigged voting at the voting booth level, the Democratic Party of SC deserves all the humiliation it is getting fo this.


Angle is really trying to dial back on her extremism (and only doing conservative media softball interviews) but how can you hide from your own words? Now we have this radio interview where she advocates a call to arms, with Reid as the main target! Doesn't she have to have a debate at some point?

Greg Sargent dug up a recent radio interview in which Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle suggested that if Congress keeps up its current policy agenda the people may need to resort to violent struggle against the United States Government. To quote her specifically ...

If this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.


Follow RFO:

TwitterCafe PressFacebook




RFO Gear

Subscribe to General RFO Newsletter

General news and announcements for We will never share or sell your email address.