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The GOP Is Anti-Troops


By Kelly Thomas - Posted on 18 December 2009

Link from MSNBC. Hey, if you insert Democrats to replace GOP in my title, it may have a familiar ring?

Well, then I won't hesitate to use that old strategy against the GOP after the stunt they tried to pull to put a halt to health care reform by trying to Fillibuster funding for our troops. They basically have no trouble using our troops to advance their cause against health care reform. Very patriotic, indeed!

While I never supported the "Democrats hate America. They don't support our troops" campaign that the GOP mastered so well, I say the Democrats should give them a taste of their own medicine and play this up BIG TIME! This is truly shameful (but what should we expect these days?) BTW-thumbs up to Snowe, Collins, & Hutchison (is this proof we need more women in Congress?) for not participating in this sick game!

From NBC's Mark Murray
Over the last several years, Republicans accusing Democrats of voting against military funding bills -- for whatever the reason -- became an common line of political attack.

Here's one example: "Senator Obama, who after promising not to vote to cut off funds for the troops, did the incredible thing of voting to cut off the funds for the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan," John McCain said at his first presidential debate with Obama last year.

So it was more than ironic to see 33 Senate Republicans -- including McCain -- support a filibuster last night on a military spending bill, simply to delay the health-care bill. Only three Republican senators voted to end debate on the Defense bill: Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, and Kay Bailey Hutchison.

 

McCain used the troops more than others. We all remember his horrible vet benefits voting record from the campaign season.

This would be disturbing and I hope it's highly covered and used against  those who support this tactic. I'm not surprised by it though, this political climate is getting increasingly pathetic. This climate was born in the Bush years and multiplied tenfold in the Obama era. Embracing the far right and distancing themselves from anything and everything Obama (even with the war and the troops). 

If they work with Obama on ANYTHING in his agenda, it makes it harder for them to paint him as a radical un-American socialist liberal. 

If this is what experience acts like maybe we should shop for inexperience.

This isn't a double standard at all -- not anymore.  This is conservatives changing the reality.

Deficits were horrible things democrats did... until Reagan and Bush wracked them up on behalf of Wall Streeters and the Iraq war.  Then they were fuel for a robust economy and the defense of freedom.

Tying Iraq war funds to other bills was a way that Senate/congress conservatives shamed moderates and liberals into voting the way they wanted them to.  Guess what, it doesn't work when the moderates and liberals try it on conservatives.

Conservatives are tougher, smarter, and more creative political fighters than moderates or liberals.  40 conservative (or conservative stooge) Sentors can block the democratic majority and democratic president more effectively than 46 or 47 democrats in the Senate could block Bush and the small majority.  The democrats didn't have the guts to call for filibusters against Bush lest Fox News shout them down as obstructionists for violating the venerated Senate tradition of using filibusters only in the most urgent and rarest of cases.

Guess what! Republicans now invoke filibusters three times a day just for exercise.

President Kum Bay Yah has been NO help in this regard. I don't care if he bows at the waist to other heads of state.  It's the bowing to Lieberman, Nelson, Grassley, and Snowe that has been the problem here.

Democrats and moderates have been playing "catch up" on how to fight politically for fifteen years.Even as an overwhelming majority, they fight like losers.

 

 

Tom, again I wish I could disagree or put up an argument up to that, but it's so damn true...

Goes back to what I said about Republicans. Whether they are catering to the far right or not, majority or minority, they remain lockstep on almost everything and accomplish their goals fast. 

I posted briefly about this on another thread last night.  I am infuriated...infuriated I tell you!!  To use the troops as a pawn for political gain is reprehensible!!  Some patriots the GOP lawmakers are turning out to be!!  Disgusting.

I am also pizzed that there is no democratic/DNC/left wing flank attack pressure against ANY Republican Senator. Certainly there must be one or two Senators with constituents who are out of work/sans health care coverage that would be eager to do television spots, aired in their states,embarrassing their senators into supporting health care. (Turn "you hate the troops"  into "you hate sick children in your own state.") NOTHING.They gave up those 40 without throwing a punch.)

The White House and Democrats spent two months kissing up to Republicans and Blue Dogs when health care reform w/public option had a public favorable rating of over 50%.  Instead of rapidly cornering conservatives and Republicans into voting for this (or else) they pleaded, cajoled, bargained bit by bit, and gave the opposition lots of time to stomp the numbers down.

When Hannity et. al. complain that Obama leads from weakness, I think I see where they are coming from.

I am "ok" voting for the current bill (although each day it has to be weakened to accommodate the next "star" because the dems have exerted ZERO pressure on the Republicans).

 

Let's not forget that they are also kissing up to their own.  Ben Nelson has indicated  he will announce his intention to vote for the reform bill....the final Dem hold out has been cornered.   Of course, the deal with Ben Nelson includes a Senate resolution declaring his grandchildren to be the cutest on the planet. Rahm will be in charge of enforcing this bragging right. ;-)

YOu have a brighter view of life than I, Suzy.  The final dem has been cornered -- perhaps, and at what price?  PLUS Lieberman has been out of the limelight for 4 or 5 days and, for all we know, is getting the shakes as his googles dwindle down to a paltry tens of thousands per day. He may have to speak out again ..ahem... on principle, of course. Plus there are several dozen  other Democratic Senators for whom a single chirp of concern would rocket them from relative obscurity to a FACE THE NATION appearance. (I hope the well behaved Senators are getting BIG BIG favors promised to them behind the scenes, but alas I fear this system favors turncoating, hypocrisy, and disloyalty. )

How does a good Senator go up to Obama or Reid a year from now and say, I need a big favor in return for the fact that I deliberately wielded no power and accrued no influence during the health care debate at the end of 2009.   All the lollipops worth licking are going to Lieberman, Nelson, and anyone else pitching a fit.

Seriously Tom, I agree with you.  Observing of the making of Christmas sausage is quite sickening.   And I am not thrilled with the result, but at least it's a start, and better than what exists now.

As Sen. Harkin said, it's not a mansion, but a starter home.

YOu have a brighter view of life than I, Suzy

It's cuz I live in Loooziana and you live in New Yawk and I am happeir becuz of it....;-D

Saturday: Defense bill passed 88-10

A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2010. The $626 billion defense spending bill contains $128 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and a 3.4 percent pay raise for the military, enjoyed wide support. The bill contains $104 billion for weapons procurement and include two-month extensions of unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, health care subsidies for those out of work, highway and transit funding, three provisions of the terrorism-fighting Patriot Act and legislation shielding doctors from a steep cut in Medicare payments.

No Votes:

Barrasso (R-WY)
Burr (R-NC)
Coburn (R-OK)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Johanns (R-NE)
McCain (R-AZ)

Not voting:

Gregg (R-NH)
Lieberman (ID-CT)

From Huff Po. A State House Republican from Maine is leaving the GOP over their handling of health care reform. I don't think this troops thing had anything to do with it but I think this is proof that many Republicans are very frustrated with all GOP members sitting on the sidelines to this historic rreform and just saying no, no, no. Are you listening Sen. Snowe?
Jim Campbell has a spine... True Grit

I hope Victoria Kenndy is right.  As above I am a grumpyreluctant  supporter of the current bill (with NO resentment or opposition to mount against those who think, in particular, that the abortion language is a sell out.  It IS a sell out, and all of us supporting the current measure --whether enthusiastically or reluctantly -- are party to that.)

I am still waiting with baited breath as to who will be the next headline-grabbing bloodsucker (or will Lieberman rise again) to shove this thing further right and further into  the hands of the insurance companies.

But if --  big IF 'til the votes come in -- it is settled, it is an overall plus, with a heavy price.  (My greatest nagging fear is that down the road we will see Harry Reid or Obama making those same pathetic statements they made about the banks or AIG: "the companies aren't behaving the way they should," i.e. getting all those mandatory new purchases but still screwing people on re-conditions or catastrophic expenses).   

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