You are hereWho should have the most influence on Obama's decision to send more troops to Afghanistan?

Who should have the most influence on Obama's decision to send more troops to Afghanistan?


By admin - Posted on 24 September 2009

Tough call between the Generals and the Troops on the ground, but I ultimately went with the Troops. 

That said, I want us to finish the goals and purpose in Afghanistan that Bushy got distracted and "screwed the pooch" on. 

I honestly have no freaking idea how to go about doing that, but I want the last eight years and all that sacrifice (Blood and $$Money$$) to have meant something.   

So, for the time being, I want us to stay in Afghanistan and attempt to finish the d*mn job that we started. 

So, I propose that our mission should be to... Crush the Taliban, once again.  Root out the corruption in the Afghan government (probably impossible).  Establish an effective Afghan police and military force that is free of corruption.  Finally, find the location of Osama Bin Laden.  Kill the B*stard.  Put his head on pike and parade it around as a warning.  

Assuming we can do those things at a reasonable pace, we can then leave.   

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to wash the Neo-Con off before I get an infection.     

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Welcome to Harvest Time, when Mother Nature puts on a whole new wardrobe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtTSY8-dbOQ

I hear ya. What was it that Powell said: "you break it you own it." We're gonna need a lotta super glue to put this one back together. Afghani people are robust bunch.

^^^^^^^
Golf11, NYC
Vero Possumus
http://twitter.com/Golf11

I guess I should have said "The American People" since that is who is ultimately responsible. Somehow I missed that option when I looked at and answered the quiz.

I went with the Military leaders, but for me it was a tossup between that and the Afghan leaders.  It really depends on what exactly our objectives our and what their (the Afghan government's) objectives are.

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."  ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

Want us to move your vote to American people? We can do that.

^^^^^^^
Golf11, NYC
Vero Possumus
http://twitter.com/Golf11

Yeah, that'd be great, thanks! 

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."  ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

Moving from leading generals to American people.

^^^^^^^
Golf11, NYC
Vero Possumus
http://twitter.com/Golf11

Heh, well I think that I just voted again since it was available. Sorry about that. 

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."  ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

yeah, it was available again for me too. I think when I do that I should just remove your vote and mine so that you don't get to stuff the ballot box.

^^^^^^^
Golf11, NYC
Vero Possumus
http://twitter.com/Golf11

I'd just blame Diebold and move on. ;-) 

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."  ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

Wait wait wait...is ACORN behind this?

I went with the Generals, but I’m pretty much in agreement with Chance. I think there is something extremely vital to be gained by wanting to know how the troops feel on the issue. I'm sure there are a lot who don't want the sacrifices to go to waste and are dedicated to the cause. You can't say enough about how much guts it takes to do what they do. We hear enough from polls, liberals, conservatives, democrats, republicans, and the media etc, I want to hear from the troops themselves within military guidelines. They’re the ones putting their lives on the line while fighting this continual uphill battle in rough terrain...

I went with the troops, since they will ultimately (and have already) put their lives on the line for this mission.

President Obama needs to (and I think does) see the faces of those currently serving in Afghanistan, those who will be sent into action, those already injured-physically or psychologically-and  the graves of those who gave us the ultimate sacrifice as he makes any decisions on troops levels and strategy. He must ask "Is it worth it to send these sons and daughters into harm's way?" and "Will  a troop increase support our goals and ensure a more successful mission?" It's really tough, especially with pressure from generals and an Afghan government that is corrupt, but I think he will process this in the right way and develop a plan that will set up and accomplish realistic goals.

I do feel he would prefer to get the troops home sooner than later, unlike the endless occupation we would have seen with McCain. Public sentiment is on his side there. Whatever he decides, expect a major speech to bring the American public on board.

Off topic, but did you hear that Big Russ died? Was he in upstate NY?
^^^^^^^
Golf11, NYC
Vero Possumus
http://twitter.com/Golf11

Link. Yes, he died in Buffalo. I'm glad father and son can now be reunited. We will miss them both!

I'm not really sure how to answer this one. It really depends on what the real mission is and it is the people shapiing and defining that mission that should be making the final calls.

The troops? No. That's just silly. Same with the American People. 

It should be some combination of our the President, our Foreign Affairs team and the generals -- as long as the generals are making their  recommendations that are in line WITH the overall strategy and mission.

So it's a tough call for me.

I'm not saying the troops should tell Pres. Obama what to do. That's like my students dictating all of my decisions as a teacher. Obviously, the job of our military is to follow orders and work to accomplish the given mission. I'm simply saying the fact that their lives are on the line should shape our decision. I think asking for more troops is the natural thing for commanders to do. On the surface, it appears this will help them do a better job.

But, it's like a school principal asking for more money and more teachers when they have a crumbling school. If scores are low, violence is preventing learning, and materials are in short supply, such a request may seem like a no-brainer. On the surface, asking for more teachers and money will turn around the school, right? But it's not always that simple. Sometimes the school needs a whole new internal facelift or an examination of other underlying problems to develop the right success plan before just throwing money or teachers into classrooms without a real plan. I know because I've seen a whole lot of money wasted in education due to poor planning or analyisis of a problem.

I'm not sure you can follow my line of thinking on this but that's how I see it.

I think the "you can't chuck money at it and hope it goes away" adage applies to a great many things.
----

It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.

Lewis Black

You know, the more I see this poll in the sidebar, the more I wish there was an "all of the above" option. 

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."  ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

I totally agree.
Good point.

 

Sg, are you okay, how bad is it in Georgia right now?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power
the world will know

I'm fine. It was specific areas around Atlanta. This area seems to have too many hills that would prevent major flooding. Some areas are worse than others. I had no idea just how bad it was until I heard Biden was here. I knew there was damage but not 'disaster area' damage widespread. Not surprising with the amount of rain. There was a few deaths which is really sad, along with some homes being lost, a big story was an elementary school completely flooded-  main build trailers and everything had water up to the roof.  There has been a lot of charity raised for it already, especially the school supplies lost.

http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/forget-classes-at-clarkdale-145186.html

Pic of the outside

Pic of the inside

I just hope there have been enough days to prepare for what might be an inch+ of addition rain today around Atlanta.

Krauthammer insults VP Biden, Juan Williams responds.

Kudos to Williams for defending VP Biden. Other than that, there's no way that the American People want to send 40,000 more troops.

I got to find me a poll.

CNN Poll: Afghanistan War opposition at all-time high; Just 39% of Americans favor the war effort, compared to 58% who oppose it. The drop in public support comes as the administration is considering sending more troops to the country. Congressional Democrats have indicated opposition to any troop buildup.

~~~

Sure, it was fine by me if we nabbed Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora during 2002, but to occupy that Narco-Tribal State is insanity.

Krauthammer reminds me of one of those Moai heads on Easter Island.

He reminds me of Monk on the TV show. 

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."  ~John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

He reminds  me of this guy from the Goonies:

  As a career military man, I know that this decision is best left up to Generals and war strategists. The men on the ground have their opinions, and their leaders are aware of those opinions.

 IMO, seperating the troops on the ground from the Generals/leaders that make these decisions is not accurate. The Generals make decisions for the troops. Thats why they are generals. I would follow my commanding officer wherever he/she asked. Thats my job as a soldier. And thats their job as an officer.

"Government doesn't solve problems, it subsidizes them" ~ Ronald Reagan

I voted Generals, but think that the voices of the Generals must be combined with the voices of advisors who have a clear idea of what outcome we are seeking.

Follow RFO:

TwitterCafe PressFacebook

RSS

 

 

RFO Gear

Subscribe to General RFO Newsletter

General news and announcements for republicansforobama.org. We will never share or sell your email address.