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Health Care Reform Lags?
Source: The Hill
White House may ask for delayed recess if health care reform lags.
The White House on Monday said that President Obama would consider asking Congress to delay the summer break if he hasn't seen sufficient progress on healthcare reform by the August recess.
Okay, Obama should give them "the Johnson treatment" . . . that's how s*** got done. Isn't that right Suzi. 
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You got that right, GF!! I also think Obama needs to take a more direct hand in guiding the legislation to be what he wants it to be. The last time he left it up to Congress, we had a bit of a mess, and some wasteful spending.
I want it done Obama's way, not Pelosi's etc., who may bow to special interests.
...MAY bow? I'd say it's more of a given that would happen.
My poison of choice is....
RAID!!!!!
I suppose RAID will do in a pinch.
----It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.
Lewis Black
Oh far be it that I can't work because of a mental disabilty right? I'm all LAZY and don't deserve healthcare. But I deserve to have to pay hundred and thousands of dollars that I don't have just to get any kind of care?
Guess when I tried to kill myself it would have been better in YOUR opinion that I'd have died right?
"Obama is not looking out for Americans with this legislation....he never has been...he's looking out for HIS VOTERS. He's looking out for the unemployed, the poor, the disabled, the welfare recipients, etc. Generally, he wants free health insurance for the non productive members of society"
LOL Junebug just called us all non-productive members of society. Waaaah! My feelings are hurt! Boo hoo! Oh, wait, I don't have any time to sit around worrying about what Junebug thinks of me because I've BEEN WORKING ALL DAY! LOL
I hope you're not expressing the "god will provide" the same as "the government will provide"
Well, apparently God hasn't been doing a bang up job providing for some of us, including quite a few who have worked all their lives only to have their savings depleted by ill health or rapacious Wall Street practices. Given how well God has provided for many of our citizens, and how well private individuals have managed to help, the government is going to be playing a roll.
Actually if you live anywhere in America, God is providing pretty well.
Americans can't really imagine the kind of conditions that most people in a country like India live in or even a large percentage of the population in neighboring Mexico.
Next time you are worried about your stock portfolio, remember that 2.6 billion people in the world do not have indoor plumbing
Brandon, I agree that Americans have it good.
Every time I'm tempted to waste water I remember people who have to walk for miles to get some.
But having read about conditions in the US before laws regulating business, health and welfare I would argue that any involvement by God is only via the actions of people who decided that America was better off with good health, fair wages, and safe food and water, and passed labor laws, medicare, medicaid and social security, not to mention the food and drug administration.
The way Junebug phrased her response I got the impression that we as fellow humans don't have to do a d*mn thing to help anyone.
That was my protest.
As Suzi said we have to step in until Jesus sends manna from heaven.
Sixteen and Brandon:
I agree wholeheartedly with what both of you are saying. The last thing I want to do is "preach" to anyone -- I certainly protest when someone tries to preach to me -- so forgive me if this comes across that way.
My view of God is that He blessed us with Free Will... one of the greatest gifts He could give us. That Free Will means that everyone has Free Will... that means people who use it for good, those who use it for self-gain, and those who use it to do harm to others.
I, too, interpreted J-Bug's response as fellow humans not needing to do anything to help anyone else.... the old "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" sentiment. I'm waiting for the "welfare queen" and "those d*mned immigrants are gonna get our stuff" sentiments from him/her next.
By telling those who do not have enough to fend for themselves to stop mooching off taxpayers and get a job, are you not telling them "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well" without lifting a finger to help them?
----It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.
Lewis Black
Well, she may be right about me...does retired count as unemployed???
It doesn't take much reading between the lines to figure out just what Junebug thinks of anyone that's not just like her. Wait till she finds out we're a bunch of educated, productive nerds....lol
Seriously. This board is filled with well-educated people.
But she also keeps saying that Obama is going to give us FREE health care. I must have missed that part of his speeches.
It's OK because I'm pretty sure that there wasn't any logic in there to follow. Just a lot of tangents.
A- No one said "everyone" here is well educated, but I can guarantee that most here are very intelligent.
B-Do you realize how difficult it is, and how long it takes, for the disabled to work through the system in order to receive benefits, and that not everyone who gets disability qualifies for Medicare?
C- I'm sure that you must be aware of the fact that the healthcare reform, including the public option, is not about providing free health insurance, but about making it more affordable for everyone. The public option premium costs, if chosen by an individual, will be based on a sliding scale according to income.
D- I don't know where you get the idea that the nation's poor are lazy. That is a stereotype that just doesn't wash. I'm not saying that it isn't true in some cases, of course it is. But the majority of our poor are the working poor and the elderly.
I am with Suzi here.
Do you not realize that I've TRIED to get that crap and how long of a process it is when I have NO MONEY to go to the proper doctors for the check up I need? I have to see a phyciatrist. Meaning, a therapist can't help. I have done EVERYTHING I was suppose to, but the Mental heal center screwed up and put me down as a child. I'M TWENTY-EIGHT!
So now, when I was suppose to the the phyciatrist in APRIL, it's been delayed to the end of AUGUST. Do you NOT see a big gap here?
Meanwhile I have a friend helping me along and I'm VERY LUCKY for that.
Until I see the phyciatrist I cannot apply for disabilty or medicare.
As for getting thousands a year in disability payments ROFL ROFL you are SOOOOOO funny.
Seriously, go suck on a lemon or something.
In order to receive Social Security Disability benefits, you have to prove that you are disabled. If you were paralyzed and brain injured in an automobile accident after working for many years, your claim will go quite quickly. I know, as I assisted someone in quickly receiving benefits after having been diagnosed with brain cancer.
Often times, it's not readily evident, that the person is truly disabled - totally unable to work. So the government makes you provide medical documentation, and rightly so for the taxpayer. (There's a man that walks into my office every day...he's a very busy person....but he's "disabled" due to an "arm injury" which doesn't stop him from doing anything, except work. Hum. ) I'm pretty sure the government "hassled him".
And no, I don't believe that this legislation is anything about making coverage more affordable "for everyone". In fact, I know, that when Obama tells insurers "they're going to start paying this, and start paying that" which they haven't in the past, that's called increased losses to the insurer. And when losses increase, so do premiums. I expect mine to go up, as the insurers seek to cover the newly regulated items. As I've said from the beginning, I think it's about giving free health insurance to the nonproductive members of society. Do I wish it was for you and I? Of course.
Wall Street Journal Ad today: retired (age 51....early retirement? disabled?) from GM. Has Multiple Sclerosis. her medications alone reportedly cost $3200 per month. Obama's GM restructuring eliminated medical benefits for GM retirees. This woman was complaining about paying $8000 per year for health insurance! Hello!!! She's sucking $3400 minimum from the insurer, and doesn't want to pay $8000/yr for coverage? Sounds like a bargain to me! A retired GM worker age 51 who made responsible decisions should be able to afford it. No?
OK, you've swayed me to your point of view...
Suck it, loser with Multiple Sclerosis!!! Cough up the $38,400 per year now! That's what you get for getting Multiple Sclerosis.
I get that this loser (who did I mention has Multiple Sclerosis?) should have budgeted better in life to have an extra $8000 per year lying around. I would imagine that if she is retired by age 51, then it is probably due to her disability and has lost her ability to earn income. But I don't care.
NOTE TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND FACETIOUSNESS... I DO NOT REALLY FEEL THIS WAY.
Junebug didn't really say in one post...they don't pay for health ins because they are more interested in cable tv?! As if the price of those two things are comparable?
She didn't really say in the second post...someone should have no problem having 8,000 a year for health ins?!
Ok...surely I just invited a personal attack from ms. junebug...whom I am assuming is a woman, as I wouldn't think a man would use that name.
Deep Breathe....
I think what we are all failing to see here is that she is not buying what Obama is selling. She is not believing what he is saying. Period! . It is hard to debate an issue with someone whom will not agree with you on the facts. Why do I get the feeling that when she passes a homeless person on the street she says, "get a job"!
CTM:
You forgot to add that this loser who had the nerve to contract MS should just "pull herself up by her bootstraps." I always love that one.
Can the President cancel Congress's Five-Week Summer Vacation? I know that the Constitution says that he can convene an emergency session, but can he actually order them to do their jobs.
On another note, I'm extremely annoyed that Congress gets Five Freaking Weeks of Vacation!
Lazy Bas*ards!
Can you imagine if our Congress-critters actually had to work like the rest of us and only got 2-3 weeks of vacation each year?
I know he can ask them to delay it, as he has said he will do if he doesn't have the bill before then. Whether he can order that or not, I don't know.
I have mixed feelings about this....I want it done, and done now, but don't want a hastily crafted bill, filled with poorly thought out mistakes.
Sure I can Junebug. Besides the cap and trade aspect, which is all anyone seems to want to talk about, there are provisions for a large scale program to electrify vehicles, efficiency standards for motors, lighting and applicances, standards for new coal fired power plants, and various provisions for working towards a "smart grid", among many others. Oh sorry, that was more than one.
I wasn't saying you didn't get this bill...what I was saying is that this isn't the bill that was 1200 pages that no one read. ;-)
And there's a provision to provide anyone living in a mobile home manufactured before 1976 some money towards buying a new mobile home. ??? OH, and don't forget that final provision: The "lower income" will receive a check from the government "EQUAL TO THEIR LOSS OF PURCHASING POWER THAT RESULTS FROM THIS ACT". So when our utilities go up, they will not have to pay for it, but we will.
Bleeding heart, I'm not. Cold, I'm not. But, where do the Republicans for Obama feel that we've really helped people alot here in this country, and maybe we need to be helping in another manner, because it isn't working?
Bleeding heart, I'm not.
No, because you would have to have a functioning heart to have a bleeding one.
Cold, I'm not.
Really. Well, you could have fooled me. Perhaps you are just evil.
Junebug, the recurrent theme I see in all of your posts is a disdain for the poor. If that doesn't make you appear to be cold,I don't know what does. I don't know where you got your distorted view of poverty in our country, but you should really take the time to become educated about it, and about all of the things that go into creating it, both generational poverty and situational poverty. It's very complicated.
But you do make one very good point...that we should be helping in a different manner. THAT is exactly what Obama is attempting to do. He wants to break the existing way of doing things that keep people locked in a cycle of welfare programs generation after generation. He wants to give them a fair start in life with good health and a good education. He wants to bring about a change in our system by giving them a hand up instead of a hand out.
The House has released it's version of a health reform bill. The Speaker said in a press conference, today, that The House will pass the bill before the August recess.
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act (HR3200)
The bill is 1018 pages long (UGH!). A Summary.
Things I like: A Public Health Option. An Independent Advisory Committee. Caps on spending to prevent Health Expense related bankruptcies. Eliminates the Part-D Medicare Donut-Hole. Includes Insurance Mandates (with subsidies for the poor and unemployed). Prohibition of cost-sharing for preventive services (HOO-RAY!).
Other good things: Preventing waste, fraud and abuse. New tools will be provided to combat waste, fraud and abuse within the entire health care system. Within Medicare, new authorities allow for pre-enrollment screening of providers and suppliers, permit designation of certain areas as being at elevated risk of fraud to implement enhanced oversight, and require compliance programs of providers and suppliers. The new public health insurance option and Health Insurance Exchange will build upon the safeguards and best practices gleaned from experience in other areas.
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So, will such a bill pass the Senate, or will the Corporate Owned Senators cower before their Masters.
Source: Bloomberg
President Barack Obama may rely only on Democrats to push health-care legislation through the U.S. Congress if Republican opposition doesn’t yield soon, two of the president’s top advisers said.
“Ultimately, this is not about a process, it’s about results,” David Axelrod, Obama’s senior political strategist, said during an interview in his White House office. “If we’re going to get this thing done, obviously time is a-wasting.”
“We’d like to do it with the votes of members of both parties,” Axelrod said. “But the worst result would be to not get health-care reform done.”
“We’d like to do it with the votes of members of both parties,” Axelrod said. “But the worst result would be to not get health-care reform done.”
...and the people of America said, "Duh"!
And what will the mother of an uninsured family say when they finally get health care?
"Well, the health care is nice, but I really would have preferred for the bill to have been a bipartisan vote."
So, will such a bill pass the Senate, or will the Corporate Owned Senators cower before their Masters.
The Senate is working on its own version and one committee was to finish work this week with the second, which will grapple with paying for the plan, to start next week.
Obama hopes to sign the bill by October.
Thanks for the links Chance.
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It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.
Lewis Black
Excellent interview.
Wendell Potter: Robert Kennedy said . . . one of his favorite quotes was a Dante quote that, "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, maintain a neutrality." And when I read that, I said, "Oh, jeez, I-- you know. I'm headed for that hottest place in hell, unless I say something."
". . . people will have to wait in long lines to get care, or wait a long time to get care. I'd like to take them down to Wise County. I'd like the president to come down to Wise County, and see some real lines of Americans, standing in line to get their care."
Thank you Mr. Potter. PRWatch.org