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By HopeForOurFuture - Posted on 17 April 2009
This comment following the article was hilarious, in a life is funny sort of way...
Well, maybe brother Will will send me some suitable dresses for every
day wear...and I'll need some pearls, white gloves, a few hats with
veils and a new purse or two. Oh yeah...let's not forget the girdle,
stockings and pumps. That sounds pretty suitable for going to Wal Mart
and the dollar store where I, a middle class American professional, can
afford to shop......
You can find George Will's picture in the dickshunary next to "effeminate snobbery elitist buffoon."
Obviously this not the abridged version of the dictionary.
When I used to watch This Week with David Brinkley, he made me look forward to Sam Donaldson.
What a sad, little man. Must be painful to see the world passing you by.
This from a man who wears a bow tie.
So then why did President Obama accept an invitation to dinner at his home?
That doesn't seem "sad" or "little" at all.
C'mon, how many people have enough stature to host a President in their house?
Obama may even have worn a bow tie for the occasion, who knows..... :-)8
"So then why did President Obama accept an invitation to dinner at his home?"
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. LOL
A lot of people around here love to make fun of the stupid Republicans with their misspelled signs. Now we are making fun of the intellectual Republicans like George Will.
Now I know better because I've been around here awhile and have a history with RFO. But surely some of you guys can see why many Republicans think that their is nothing at all "Republican" about this site.
I agree with you here Brandon. Ad hominem attacks based on a column about blue jeans, of all things, makes us all look bad.
Maybe following the example set by President Obama would be in order. ;-)
I'm going to disagree a little here only because George Will asked for it in this case. I mean, come on, really? Blue jeans are horribly offensive to him? When you write something like that you are asking to be called a delicate, little prig.
This is not a political column he wrote. His topic was neither Republican nor Democratic, neither conservative nor liberal. It was a snobbish attack on people he apparently can not relate to on any level, aka us common folks.
If you show yourself to be a delicate diva, then you can hardly complain when you are called a delicate diva.
Here is a link to George Will's column and not just a comment on the column:
Having read the actual column, I have to recant my previous position. The column itself smacks not only of snobbery in it's content, but seems determined to draw class lines; elitist vs everyone else.
I admire Will's intellect, but cannot admire his "us vs them" mentality in this piece.
You know me pretty well, don't you? lol
If there is one thing I cannot stand, it's artificial ways of judging people...and this column is filled with just that.
If you dress in an inappropriate manner aren't you in effect asking to be judged?
People make judgments all the time based on the appropriateness of clothing in social situations. I don't think that is an elitist attitude but one of respect for either the situation or for yourself.
How many here have whispered dear me when confronted with what seems to be the ubiquitous display of thongs by young sometimes not so young ladies wearing jeans not designed to be sat down in?
Wearing jeans does not automatically translate into inappropriate dress. If a workplace allows jeans on Friday, or all week, it is acceptable. If one wears jeans to work when it is against the dress code, then the workplace will deal with it (judge) in their way.
Your thong reference made me laugh, and I am sure we have all judged that scenario, in one way or another (depending on our gender ;-), but that isn't the same as passing judgment on all those who wear thongs. Using Will's logic, all thong wearers would be branded sluts or something equally sleezy. See his last paragraph about owning one pair of jeans, and the crowd he considered to be the ones who actually represent those who wear them.
Since I retired, I am in jeans most days. But I never wore jeans to work, as it was not appropriated for my work place nor my position. I dress appropriately, depending on the occasion. If Will sees me in jeans while I am out running errands, he would erronously assume that I don't know how to dress appropriately.
I'm betting this column is harmless by comparison.
It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.Lewis Black
But this was not objective reporting where those who read the topic would also have objective views. This was a personal viewpoint where he exposed his delicate sensibilities. As I read his article, I could just feel how he was just about to break in the vapors over the thought of how horrible blue jeans are.
If you read George Will's column and not just the link above, you can see how he is making attacks on the classlessness of blue jean wearers. In that case, blue jean wearers have more than enough cause to make judgments about him.
In any case, it is close to the dumbest column ever. If this is George Will's biggest issue to focus on, then he must have the most perfect life ever. I can't believe a grown man spends that much time pondering the wearing of denim by Americans (or at least one who is not in the fashion industry).
I think what Suzi and Brandon are pointing out is: Just because he throws stuff your way, doesn't mean you have to fight back. In fact, fighting back in the public forum gives strength to his attacks. Best to take the moral high ground and not give the attacks the dignity they don't deserve.
If this is George Will's biggest issue to focus on, then he must have the most perfect life ever.
My mother often says that those who complain about small things have nothing else to do. I think Will's running out of material and/or readers, but that's not enough motivation for me to hit him with my clue bat.
Some may be jealous that Obama didn't accept their dinner invitation. Perhaps the President didn't find barbeque elephant steaks appealing enough, even if served with fermented donkey piss.
I smell a future menu choice at politcal funtions...
At least I think that's what that smell is....
I posted a Discussion called "Good News from McCainville" because someone from the McCain campaign said something politically TRUE, and it went completely ignored.
Um, not completely, lep. But I do find that people are much more inclined to focus on the negative, than to discuss any positive solutions or approach. It's human nature, I guess.
I think we have a combination of forces at work here at RFO:
The Republicans have become so disgusted at the direction our party has taken, that each new incident fuels that feeling. It's sort of like a serious marriage problem ....for a while, all you can concentrate on are the wrongs that were done. It takes a while to see the other side of the coin, and begin some positive steps toward change.
On the other hand, we also have some Dems who see most things Republican as bad, no matter what, and make that very clear. The problems within their own party are stoically ignored or excused.
The bottom line is, Obama is not typical of either party, and I personally wish more would follow his example of disagreeing without being disagreeable. But that's just me. (Although I can be very guilty of being disagreeable at times myself). Of course, the name calling and divisive tone set by many in Washington and the media do nothing to help citizens like ourselves settle down.
Maybe a more balanced approach to discussions will be reached eventually, but for now, we share the common bond of supporting a visionary President. That President has been the object of so much unjustified attack and unfounded rumor and name calling, that we will do what we do best....defend and support him, unless he gives us a reason not do...which he hasn't done.
A lot of people around here love to make fun of the stupid Republicans with their misspelled signs. - Brandon
Republicans are not stupid. Are you 8/yrs old?
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that Will's article is really bemoaning the state of causalness today versus how things were when more formal - an attidude/perspective change. Similar to the argument of school uniforms.
I have to admit I can understand a bit of his perspective. Growing up in a formal church setting I nearly fell out of the pew the first time I went to my husband's childhood church and people showed up in blue jeans. To me dressing up what about showing respect for the church and put myself in a proper state of mind.
There's a time and place for all manner of clothing and even all viewpoints.
I guess the question at the heart of this argument is :
Do clothes influence behavior?
To me in some respect they do. How much so depends on the person. Do you find yourself acting/behaving differently when you are dressed up versus casual?
Now I love my jeans but I usually wear them tarted up with heels and such. I also look forward to Fridays when we can wear jeans to work but I also can tell you Fridays are not my most productive day of the week. Related possibly.
Marymoo- Do you find yourself acting/behaving differently when you are dressed up versus casual?
Yes, I find that I am not really myself when I feel uncomfortable in stuffy clothing. I feel like I'm pretending to be something I am not. It's just like when I encounter someone who is in a suit, I do not fell relaxed around that person, I feel tense.
Actually I do. But I also like to dress up on occasion. If I have an important meeting (even if just a telecon), I will dress up more than when I know I have a lighter work load. It's like putting on my game face. I also find that it is distracting when people are poorly dressed (i.e. ill fitting or inappropriate clothing). For good or worse, clothing does impart an impression and it doesn't have an expensive undertaking to dress well.
However, I do buy dressy clothing that is comfortable b/c it defeats the purpose if you are not.
I also look forward to Fridays when we can wear jeans to work but I
also can tell you Fridays are not my most productive day of the week.
We don't have Casual Friday at my employer and I don't think it would make much difference. By 2:30 on Friday most people are thinking about the weekend and are ready to go home. Friday is only as productive as you want it to be. I often discovered that Monday is much less productive than the rest of the week, because people are recovering from the weekend.
"Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
"Or the one."
- Captain Spock & Admiral James T. Kirk
- Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
I don't know much about George Will, but he sounds like an old fashioned fuddy-duddy. The type of person who laments the past without looking at the brightness of what is yet to come. I don't mean that to be an insult either. Just a personality description.
Personally, I love jeans and prefer them. They will hold up much better than my dress clothes. 90% of the people at my former church worn jeans on Sunday. As it was never about what you wore, but what was in your heart.
I hate to wear ties and haven't voluntarily worn one since 2007, when I had two family funerals in a row. Polo shirts and khakis are sufficient enough for work, so I don't have to worry about ties there, either.
Sometimes, when I'm not going out I'll just put on a pair of sweatpants and veg in front of the television.
I'm not advocating a return to any previous era, but there is something interesting about seeing how formal people used to be.
Whenever I see pictures of people from the 1950s shopping downtown or eating in a restaurant, it is amazing how dressed up they are.
My dad took my older brother to see the St. Louis Cardinals play in 1965 and they both wore a suit and tie to the baseball game. They took lots of pictures and you can see that almost every man and kid has on a tie at the game.
Again, I'm not wanting to go back but we've become so informal today that I think we've lost something, but I'm not sure I can put into words what it is.
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