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New DNC Chair-designate is Pro-Life

By Golf11 - Posted on 08 January 2009

Very interesting, but any of you who have lived or know the DC area know that Kaine is a pro-life democrat. Boy, Obama is really doing a divide and conquer...he's slowly removing all the wedge issues from Republicans..what are we going to do.

Live Long and Prosper!?! 

Have a happy, fulfilling life without partisanship and stress!?! 

Why Yes, I am a dreamer.  

Yes America Can!  Yes America Did!


Also, I've noticed how much wailing and gnashing of teeth is coming from the far left about this.  The denizens of Kos are particularly upset, so that must mean that Kaine is a very good choice for the DNC.  

Yes America Can!  Yes America Did!


Chance, they too will be's just a matter of time before being practical sinks in with more and more Americans. This path of demonizing people to win elections is old and tired and frankll after watching McCain/Palin you see how childish and and conter-productive is.

Now all he needs is some gun-toting NRA member in a high profile post and a married gay or lesbian couple  who hasn't damaged the institution of marriage and we should be all set.

Who needs issues and facts when you can call names and market fear?

Golf11, NYC
Vero Possumus

Hmmm... I guess since I am pro-choice, I should throw a hissy fit like all the other people who didn't agree 100%with one of his choices along the way.  Ha ha.

Anyway, I think Tim Kaine seems to be a reasonable fellow, and I like that Obama is really mixing it up.  The best decisions are made when you hear a variety of thoughts on an issue.

I am looking forward to a very thoughtful next 4 (and hopefully 8) years!  Far lefties and far righties might be crying, but us common-sense-Americans will be happy!

This is major step in the right direction for the Democratic Party.  It was only in 1992 that Bob Casey wasn't even allowed to speak at the Democratic Convention because of his pro life views.

I know several people who while they agree with the Democrats on just about every issue will never vote for one because of abortion.  Likewise, I know one person who won't vote Republican because of their anti choice stance even though she agrees with them on economic issues.

Even though I personally remain 100% pro life, it would be good for the country if both parties were more open to different viewpoints on this issue.


Something is wrong here. This can't really be Brandon. Did you get a lick on the head or something? Realizing that pragmatism and diversity of opinion are not always bad. What is the world coming to?

Shhhssshh, Wcolin, don't get him started. I had to hold back commenting how the RNC didn't let Ridge speak during one of our conventions because of his Pro-choice views..but I figured I'd let it go. I like selective memory.

Golf11, NYC
Vero Possumus

No, it is really the same Brandon and I'm still 100% pro life.

But I also realize that my party just went down to a huge electoral defeat last November and also barely has enough senators to even filibuster. 

We have to try something new, because the 2008 method didn't work. 

I really like this side of Brandon....or should I say "Davy Crockett"! ;-)

Agreed!  I honestly thought that it was a new poster with the same user name.  

I'd make a joke about changing after all the weeks spent in the outer darkness with wailing and gnashing of teeth, but that would be unfair.    

Yes America Can!  Yes America Did!


If this keeps up, I might lose all my credibility at
You're a FReeper?????????
I have posted at freerepublic some over the years.  Does that make one a FReeper?

Ummm, yes, I guess it could/does.  Are you one of the uhh, very vocal anti-all-things-Obama FReepers?  You know, one of the real hard right ones that think the Palin-type candidate is the shining future of the party?

(I think I know the answer, but am giving you a chance here to redeem

"Are you one of the uhh, very vocal anti-all-things-Obama FReepers?  You know, one of the real hard right ones that think the Palin-type candidate is the shining future of the party?"

Honestly, until November I pretty much was in that category.  Although I always thought Palin was not qualified to be vice president and I was always against the Obama conspiracy theories like he's a Muslim who was born in Kenya.  

I campaigned for and supported McCain and Palin although I was not really happy with either candidate.   But I thought Obama lacked experience, was not happy with his previous associations, thought his voting record was too liberal and most of all feared the Democrats controlling all of the Federal government.
But on November 4th, my side suffered a landslide defeat.  Our ticket was rejected by the American people.   This should be a wake up call to the Republican Party.
No, I was not a Republican For Obama on or before November 4th.  But on January 20, he will be my president and I want him to be successful at helping make our country a better place, but I'm still a Republican.
So doesn't that now make me a Republican For Obama?
My main interest now is seeing us rebuild and unite the Republican Party for the future.  As someone wiser than me has said:  "The different factions of the Republican party must learn to work together, or we will continue to suffer defeat."

I'm still a Republican too, albeit a moderate one.  So far, my faith in Obama has been rewarded as he shows signs, by virtue of his appointments and press conferences, of governing from the center and in a very pragmatic fashion.  Pragmatism is sorely needed now, more than ideology from either side, IMO.

As for your quote, you must hang out with some intelligent people who are teaching you a thing or two! 

Added note...the landslide defeat suffered by the GOP shows me that the far right ideology has run it's course, and the American people are ready to put partisanship for it's own sake aside, and find some common sense solutions for our problems, no matter which party it comes from.  It's time for us, as Republicans, to offer that.

<Although I always thought Palin was not qualified to be vice president and I was always against the Obama conspiracy theories like he's a Muslim who was born in Kenya. >

So, that means you are not one of the creepy FReepers.  You may consider yourself redeemed.

Standing by very conservative views is understandable, being one of the creepy FReepers isn't.

A bit of practicality here?  Is it possible to put social ideology aside?  Hmmmm

Being personally pro-life, I can hope for the future that:

Maybe this is a step in the right direction; that direction being taking personal and religious beliefs out of the litmus test for public officials of either party, and putting them back in the hands of the individual, where they belong.

Well... Obama's pro-life too, he's just not anti-abortion.
I like your statement Peter.
Something people seem to forget is that Harry Reid is pro-life as well. Yet, many conservatives hesitated not one second on attacking Democratic leadership and voting for Mccain because of that one issue. Reid clearly shows that one's position on abortion has nothing to do with their ability to lead.(Or lack thereof) We need to do away with these kinds of "wedge issues". Banning abortion is not going to fix the economy. It's not going to repair roads and bridges. It's not going to make sure young people get a good education. For God's sake, banning abortion isn't even going to stop ABORTIONS! Abortion is a complex, yet sensitive issue that Republicans have used to exploit people's knee-jerk emotions to get in to office. I'm glad to see Kaine heading the DNC. The neocons' "The Democrats want to kill your babies" schtick is running out of power, and Kaine will help to further disprove that. I hope that Kaine will venture from past DNC leadership and be a promoter of bi-partisanship and an instigater of compromise.

You are correct that Harry Reid has a fairly good pro life voting record and gets a very low score from NARL, the main pro choice group.

I differ from many in the pro life movement, because I want to see this issue removed as a national or federal issue.  Since there is nothing in the constitution about abortion, it should be left up to the individual states.  I do not (like most in the pro life movement) believe in a constitutional amendment banning abortion.

Let this issue be fought where it belongs at the state legislature level.   

This would likely mean that abortion would be very legal in states like New York and California and would be illegal in most cases in states like Utah or Tennessee or Louisiana.



I agree with Suzi.

Personal and religious decisions belong in the hands of individuals, not the government or its politicians.


The only problem with that is now some woman would have travel across state line to have one. ANd most woman who have them are poor. I am pro-choice, but that does not mean I could have one. I Don't thing I could, however that being said, It is not my place to tell another what to do, she has to live with it. If the woman could not travel to another state, then you risk her having an illegal abortion where all kinds of things going wrong.

The issue of abortion is here to stay for a long while.  The problem arises from the intransigence of extremists on both sides.

No one with any conscience WANTS abortion; i.e. no one is "pro-abortion."  Being pro-choice, however, is not the same thing.  Many who would never consider having or condoning an abortion are also capable of realizing that they cannot and should not dictate someone else's actions in this area.  I would place myself there:  I am pro-choice but not pro-abortion.

To further complicate the issue, those who oppose abortion and who are also in a position to influence legislation are predominantly male.  While the partner of a woman considering an abortion certainly should have some input into the decision, it is the woman who has to make the choice and deal with the consequences.  Men not in the immediate circle of that woman's family are butting in where they have no business.  I would recommend turning a decision on this issue over to women and let them have final say.

It's interesting - even ironic - to note that when Sarah Palin (who opposes abortion) was asked about her daughter's pregnancy shortly after it came to light, she commented that Bristol had decided to bear the child.  Now that's certainly Bristol's prerogative, and a good choice at that, but it IS a CHOICE that she was able to make.  How is it that Sarah can praise her daughter's choice while attempting to deny that same choice to women everywhere?

To reinstate abortion bans would have the inevitable result of bringing back the "good ole" days of back alleys and coat hangers.  And maiming or death of the mother.

It's interesting to note also that the abortion rates tend to decline under democratic administrations - at the national level and in most states.  It probably has something to do with optimism for the future, but the reasons are murky.  Nonetheless, the results are real.  Anecdotally, I have a friend locally who was an ardent support of Obama and who also opposes abortions.  Her main reason for supporting him was for the reasons I just stated.  (I'm not sure it was enough of a reason, but I won't argue with her vote.)

Abortion is not only a problem itself, but is a symptom of a deeper problem in society (the stigma of unmarried pregnancy and/or the difficulties attendant to raising an infant alone.)  To reduce abortion, then, it is insufficient to pass laws.  That would be as ineffective as Prohibition was.  Rather, we need to reshape society into something much more supportive of bearing children to term and making adoption much easier than it is.  If you remove the incentive for abortion, you reduce its likelihood.

I don't want to turn this into yet another abortion thread.

I do want to give kudos to Kaine and Obama for doing their best to break down the political barriers that divide us and trying to promote the issues that unite us instead.

"For those who plan with audacity and execute with vigor,
progress is the magnificent by product." 

Amen, Tin!

I think the move was politically brilliant, if because the new Dean/Obama Democratic Party acheived control of Congress by picking candidates that could win any district, which may range from ultra-liberal to moderate-conservative.

Kaine is a pro-life, but anti-Death Penalty*, Governor of Virginia, which is neither firmly a Red or Blue state, but more Purple. In symbolism, Kaine the moderate southerner try to guide the party to not retain its 2006/08 victories, but also perhaps gain more (plus Obama re-election) as the party tries to rule down the centre.

In short, they want the Democratic Party of 1933-1969 to come back, the national majority party coalition of Minorities/Progressives/Working Southern Whites/Women that held both Houses of Congress for most of that period, and save for Ike, the White House as well.

Plus, consider that Obama/Kaine/Dean realized perhaps something...Abortion Isn't That Big of a Deal. 36 years since Roe/Wade, and no matter how many Presidents/Congressmen elected or millions raised for them by the Religious Right since then....Roe/Wade is still standing, and last I checked, most American women are still pro-choice. Of course that statistic was from 2002, so new data would be appreciated.

Point is, let the GOP base of Palin/Huckabee supporters worry about that issue when they go to bed nightly, cause at this rate I think the abortion debate is mute, especially with a new centre-left President who will assuredly nominate pro-choice Supreme Court judges.

*=But last I checked, Kaine hasn't seriously tried to alter the state capital punishment laws, which was practical.

DOes any one know how many justices he might appoint and who might retire?

Well, Stevens is in her 80s. Ginsberg has cancer, or did anyway.


I say if Obama gets two terms....2-3.

At least.

The question is if he is pro-life in regard to people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Kosovo, Gaza...

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