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"Another Year" tribute to war veterans


Kim I thank you for this wonderful post with a message that certainly a majority of Americans agree with.

As this year ends at least 4,221 of our finest have returned home in coffins and hundreds of thousands with life long wounds. This unjust and unnecessary war has caused unbelievable deaths and destruction and these will continue for years to come even if it is ended during 2009.

I have never been more confident that the right man will take the place of the one whose poor judgement and arrogance caused these losses and put our country in such terrible conditions. I know that is much to expect of Obama but he is up to the task of righting the ship of State with the help of all of us.     

Seabee: I completely agree with your confidence in Barack Obama.

I heard a story on NPR this morning about other fatalities from the Iraq war that are not counted -- the suicide rate among recruiters.  Here in my own city of Houston, five Iraq war veterans who became recruiters have committed suicide.  Sen. Cornyn has demanded investigation into the matter. 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98913061

 It is precisely because of this war that I have become so much more involved in politics than ever before.

At the beginning of the Iraq War, George W. Bush said we would be greeted as liberators; at the end of his term, he was greeted with flying shoes.  I'm just one person and I have very little power, but I will continue to watch my government's decisions and use my voice -- my only "power" -- to make my opinions known. 

"It is precisely because of this war that I have become so much more involved in politics than ever before."
While I have been involved somewhat in the past years it was Bush's foolhardy actions that really heated me to white hot. As more and more of my fellow veterans were sacrificed needlessly and continued to be because of the stupidity and arrogance of Bush I could  stand idly by no longer.
"I'm just one person and I have very little power, but I will continue to watch my government's decisions and use my voice -- my only "power" -- to make my opinions known". 
Kim I honor you for doing that and at my age and circumstances that is also about all I can do. It is so frustrating not to be able to do more to stop such terrible wrongs. 
One would hope that this latest one who gave his life would be the last one but as long as our troops remain in this quagmire of Bush's making more will die.
01/02/09 DoD Identifies Army Casualty

"I heard a story on NPR this morning about other fatalities from the Iraq war that are not counted"  

Yes Kim there are untold thousands of deaths not reported and thousands more will die from the affects of their injuries in future years. The full extent of loss of lives will never be known but millions of lives of the living will continue to be affected by the arrogant acts of Bush and his gang of war mongers.   

It has been reported that Bush said he will leave with his head held up high. Only a fool would do so given the horrific deaths and misery he has caused and Bush is that kind of fool. The following shows just what the costs have been during 2008.
During the year of 2008 at least 314 of our finest have died and more than 2,400 are returning home with physical wounds. How many more have received mental wounds during this year is not known but it most certainly is double the number physically injured and perhaps as many as 20,000.
Not to mention the hundreds of thousands Iraqis that have been killed or wounded during this same year that Bush claims was a success. It certainly tells us all we need to know about one who would leave "with his head held up high" after causing so much suffering, deaths and destruction.

 Obama Bring Them Home Safe
Misty let us hope that they not only are returned safely but quickly. To lose even one more of our finest needlessly to Bush's folly is unthinkable and unjustified. Thanks for the visual.
While the media has left Iraq our troops still remain and face continued violence. Below are listed only a few of events that have happened during the past 24 hours. These will only dissipate when our troops are no longer there because their presents fans the fires. 
FACTBOX-Security developments in Iraq, Jan 6
06 Jan 2009 16:02:54 GMT
Source: Reuters
 Jan 06 (Reuters) - Following are security developments in Iraq at 1600 GMT on Tuesday. * BAGHDAD - A bomb planted in a parked car killed one civilian and wounded six people, including three soldiers, when it exploded in the Saidiya area of southern Baghdad.
BAGHDAD - Four police commandos were killed and two wounded by a roadside bomb on Monday night in the Doura district of southern Baghdad, police said.
MOSUL - A suicide car bomber wounded five policemen and three civilians, striking their patrol in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
TUZ KHURMATO - A roadside bomb wounded two policemen in the town of Tuz Khurmato, 170 km (105 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
SEKHRA - Gunmen in a speeding car opened fire and shot dead an off-duty Iraqi soldier on Monday night in the town of Sekhra, near Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
KIRKUK - Gunmen in a speeding car opened fire and seriously wounded an off-duty policeman on Monday night in central Kirkuk, police said. BAGHDAD - The body of a man was found in Baghdad on Monday, police said.

 Where is the public outcry about these expenditures? Is it only when the automotive industry ask for funds that we bull up? 

Gates projects Pentagon needs $70 billion more for wars

Tue Jan 6, 2009 11:03pm GMT 
By Andrea Shalal-Esa

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates estimates the Pentagon will need about $70 billion more to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan this year, on top of the $65.9 billion already approved by Congress.

If Congress supports the amount Gates estimates is needed, total spending on the wars will hit $927.7 billion since 2001

And where is the public outcry about this? Our Nation lost another hero to begin the new year in this unjust and unnecessary war. At least 4,222 have paid the ultimate sacrifice for Bush's blunder.

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a Marine who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.  Lance Cpl. Chadwick A. Gilliam, 29, of Mayking, Ky., died Jan. 3 at a U.S. military base in Kuwait. He was assigned to 2nd Battalion, 6th Marines, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

 It seems that most have forgotten or wish to forget that our troops are still dying in this Bush blunder in Iraq. Our nation has lost forever at least 4,230 and the violence they face daily is because they are left in this quagmire.

January 24th, 2009 11:18 am
Soldier from Rockland, MA killed in Iraq

NECN

The Massachusetts community of Rockland is grieving the loss of one of their own in Iraq. Pfc. Matthew Pollini was killed yesterday. He was just 21-years-old.

His brother is holding it together, the rest of his family is trying to do so, as well. Matt Pollini enlisted in 2005.

He is the second Rockland serviceman to die in Iraq in two years.

Below is proof that the presents of our troops is the cause for most of the current violence. Those that are suspected to be aligning themselves with our troops are targets. Withdraw our troops and the Iraqis will resolve their internal strife.

Two of the so-called Sons of Iraq were killed in the attack in Jurf al-Sakr and two others were wounded, according to police and a local Sunni leader.

Kazhim Dgheim, a senior member of the Sons of Iraq in the area, said the group has frequently been targeted by insurgents trying to undermine support for its decision to join forces with the Americans."We still come under attacks since the order was issued to link us to the government, especially in the Jurf al-Sakr area, which once was a hotbed for al-Qaida," he said.

Misty your country and mine has lost 15 more of our finest defenders in this unjust and unnecessary Bush warThe lives of at least 4,236 have been sacrificed in this quagmire Bush put them in. 

Four U.S. soldiers killed in aircraft crash in Iraq

By Ned Parker and Caesar Ahmed
3:18 AM PST, January 26, 2009
Reporting from Baghdad -- Four U.S. soldiers were killed early today when at least one U.S. military aircraft crashed near the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, according to the U.S. military and Iraqi officials.
As long as they are left in this senseless war more will be lost and incidents such as the following will make more terrorists for US.

January 25th, 2009 1:19 am
U.S. Forces Kill Couple In Raid on Iraqi House

Military Says Man Led Assassin Cell

By Anthony Shadid and Qais Mizher / Washington Post

BAGHDAD, Jan. 24 -- U.S. troops stormed the house of a former army officer Saturday in northern Iraq, killing the man and his wife, wounding their 8-year-old daughter and unleashing anger among residents at tactics they deemed excessive, police said.


It is easy, with our attention turned to the economy, to forget that we continue to lose some of America's greatest heroes and their potential in this unjust and needless war in Iraq. To date at least 4,243 have been returned under the cover of secrecy to their country in coffins. The names of the latest have just been released and there will be more until we get them out of the quagmire Bush sent them into. They are now considered the enemy since they are now occupiers and their presents spawn most of the violence. 

The Department of Defense announced today the death of four soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Destruction. They died Feb. 9 in Mosul, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near their vehicle. They were assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.

            Killed were:
 Lt. Col. Garnet R. Derby, 44, of Missoula, Mont.
        Sgt. Joshua A. Ward, 30, of Scottsville, Ky.
      Pfc. Albert R. Jex, 23, of Phoenix, Ariz.
Pfc. Jonathan R. Roberge, 22, of Leominster, Mass.
Thank you for keeping this in the forefront, Seabee.  We should never forget the price that is being paid by our troops. May they rest in peace, and their families find comfort.

I'm guilty of getting sidetracked, too, seabee. 

R.I.P. Lt. Col. Derby, Sgt. Ward, PFC Jex and PFC Roberge. God's peace to the families and loved ones you leave behind.

 

As a veteran of OIF, though, I find it very disrespectful to call it "Operation Iraqi Destruction".

I agree with honoring our veterans and those who have given their lives in service of our country, but just because you dislike the cause which they serve doesn't mean that either they or I appreciate your sentiments when you add your comments in.

In fact, why do you honor them at all? After all, if this is an illegal war then all of us veterans are war criminals, by definition. Nuremburg proved that "just following orders" was no excuse. 

"For those who plan with audacity and execute with vigor,
progress is the magnificent by product." 

<As a veteran of OIF, though, I find it very disrespectful to call it "Operation Iraqi Destruction".>

I strongly agree with Tin here.  No matter what our individual feelings about the war might be, we must always remember to honor and respect those who serve.  To criticise the Bush administration's reasons for going to war, or the handling of it is one thing.  To phrase things in a way that may seem insulting or disrespectful of the men and women who fight that, or any other, war will not be allowed. 

I caution all to weigh your words carefully when posting on this subject.  Remember that there are many veterans here, and across the nation, that deserve our utmost respect.  We must not communicate, even inadvertently, things that could be taken otherwise.

Thank you, Suzi

 just because you dislike the cause which they serve doesn't mean that either they or I appreciate your sentiments when you add your comments in.

I just don't "dislike" this war I detest those that ordered our troops to make these sacrifices unnecessarily. Our brave troops are absolutely to be honored and I have done that for the past five years by keeping their sacrifices out of the obscurity these fools wished to hide them. I did that by starting a thread on the AARP message board that received the most readers ever on a thread, more than 140,000, and 40,000 posts. AARP has sense closed that forum and replaced it with another one. 

Our troops only followed the irresponsible orders from their incompetent commander in chief which did indeed result in the destruction of country.

It is ridiculous to twist this into a slam at the troops. The shame is with Bush and his war mongers that sent them senselessly into this horror.

 

Seabee, while I understand that you meant your words to be directed to Bush et al, please try to understand where Tin is coming from.  If one who has actually served in that war is made uncomfortable by a choice of wording, he is not being ridiculous, but rather being honest and forthcoming.

I appreciate your work to keep this issue at the forefront, and hope you will continue to do so.  We just all need to keep in mind the feelings of those who have fought during this time.  Do you remember how the anti-war sentiment was so detrimental to the VietNam veterans?  It wasn't the anti-war sentiment that harmed them, but the way it was expressed.  

I know how much you care about all of our troops, and do not question your motives in the slightest.   Please know that.

As a veteran of OIF, though, I find it very disrespectful to call it "Operation Iraqi Destruction"

I agree. 

When my Dad was teaching me how to debate he taught me to never use derogatory or inflammatory words.  His rational was that if you could not convince your opponant without slurs you had an inherently weak argument. I wish more people agreed with him.

As an aside, I am very glad to see that the public has not responded to the returning Iraqi soldiers with the vitrol that the Vietnam soldiers faced, instead I think that most people are trying hard to respect the sacrifices they have mad, even though they despise the war and can't truly understand what the veterans are feeling.

In fact, why do you honor them at all? After all, if this is an illegal war then all of us veterans are war criminals, by definition. Nuremburg proved that "just following orders" was no excuse.

I think every rational person understands that a soldier must follow orders in a battlefield.  I thought the Nuremburg situation was because of the concentration camps.

When my Dad was teaching me how to debate he taught me to never use derogatory or inflammatory words. His rational was that if you could not convince your opponant without slurs you had an inherently weak argument. I wish more people agreed with him.

That's the fallacy called ad hominem. It's the wrong way to prove a point, but it's such a powerful rhetorical tool that most people ignore that it has no logical or argumentative merit.

And yes, Nuremberg was held to try the Nazi leaders for crimes against humanity such as the concentration camps. The "I was just doing what Hitler told us" defense failed because they were all in full agreement with Hitler's philosophies, if I remember correctly.

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It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.

Lewis Black

I think that we all need to be clear that this discussion is in no way disparaging of Seabee.  He inadvertently used a bad word choice.  There is no one on this board who has shown more respect and deep caring for our troops than Seabee.  We all need to acknowledge and understand that.

Just to say, I don't want to disparage Seabee either, nor do I want him to stop posting about our brothers and sisters who have given the ultimate.

Nor do I want him to stop posting his disagreement with this war, even though I disagree with him on it.

I think that it can be difficult to disagree passionately and still remain friends and respectful of one another. I try to walk that line myself.

But his words did make me angry, and I felt the need to respond. There's nothing wrong with that, anymore than there's anything wrong with the fact that the war itself makes him angry. 

Everyone should hope for peace. 

"For those who plan with audacity and execute with vigor,
progress is the magnificent by product." 

I think you handled it very well, Tin.  I can certainly understand your point, and where you are coming from.  I agree that our veterans and troops deserve the utmost respect.

I just want Seabee to know that I believe his word choice was inadvertent, and not intended to be critical of the troops, but rather of the Bush administration. 

You are right that there is nothing wrong with either viewpoint, and thank you for acknowledging that.  I hope that Seabee will continue to post, and that all will continue to show mutual respect.

Can anyone tell me how I can download the music?  I can't find any mention of it at iTunes, even though YouTube says that you can buy it through them
I just listened to a "Dirty Truth" at Mike Rowe Works (the Dirty Jobs host's website on blue-collar work and trades), where he talked about a meeting with some USMC Generals who are furious that the unemployment rate as of last year for recently separated servicemen is 18%, more than twice the national average. If there are that many of our men and women who served and yet are without jobs, I think some of the infrastructure projects (ready or planning) can use some of them. Mike Rowe pointed out that there is no briefing for civilian life like there is for military life-- if these men and women want a job outside of combat or the military, they are on their own. Definitely worth a look.
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It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.

Lewis Black

Off on a tangent, but Mike Rowe is seriously hot.

Yes, I know that this post has no relevance to anything.

Speaking as a guy, he looked way better in the charcoal episode where he literally was covered in charcoal dust from head to toe (probably would've gone up in flames if someone put a match to him), than in any episode of History Channel's The Most. He took on the most unpleasant work imaginable and yet necessary for civilization, but he seemed to enjoy it far more than some of his other stints.
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It's sad that we've reached a point where 'government service' is a dirty word... If we're the greatest country on earth, maybe we can have the greatest government.

Lewis Black

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