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Christian Support for Obama


By Suzi LeVeaux - Posted on 03 August 2008

I know there are many of us here that are stong Christians, and have struggled with reconciling some of our beliefs with our support of Barack Obama.  Most of us decided that the good Obama will do outweighs the political positions with which we disagree

The fact is, there are many of us across the nation.  A few weeks ago, I discovered an on-line orginization and PAC devoted to the principles of Chrisitian values given in Matthew 25 (feed the hungry, etc)  I signed up, but waited to post it until I had a better feel of where the organization was going.  I didn't want it to be just another version of the far religious right. 

I have not been disappointed.  Here is a portion of their mission statement:

<Therefore, while no elected official will be without flaw, we come together as individuals to support candidates for public office who share the values of the Matthew 25 Network: promoting life with dignity, caring for the least of these, strengthening and supporting families, stewardship of God’s Creation, working for peace and justice at home and abroad, and promoting the common good.>

This organization speaks to my heart and belief system, and I wanted to share it with any that may be interested.

http://www.matthew25.org/

 homeless w/ savings account know any ? 

now the new hud /vash funds

VA CAN VIOLATE HUD/ADA AGAIN - NO ONE TO DO LEGAL CHALLENGE.

ive been strung along told section 8 but this violates section8 /ada

most disabvled vets are income disqualified  hud leadership has been able to sneakthi by fro years to do  substance abuse get the criminals off th raoad and leave us that suffer but are no bother to you in it. 

 ssi is slightly over 800 per month. awaitng  medical review is 0-200.

anohter program says cripples belong in the road if you need med care and GI BILL or  state Voc rehab to work or multi disablities  literally left in the road.

again.

 The HUD/VASH program is a limited grant. There are 30 slots now which are filling up and they expect 30 more in October. The person must be a veteran, homeless, earn $15,000-$25,000 per year, be willing to be in treatment if needed and participate in case management for 5 years. It is in conjunction with Section VIII Housing, so the person would pay 1/3 of the rent and the 2/3 is paid for 5 years. Currently it is being facilitated through Long Beach and the person needs to be willing to live in Long Beach for at least 2 years. The case manager would help them find an apartment and negotiate with the landlord but the person needs to be able to pay the 1/3 deposit money for the apartment.

WHEN MORE OF US ARE DEAD  sucides are up CASUE  FRO DISABLED THERE IS NO PATH FROM HOMLES TO HOUSING TO VOC REHAB.
please remember us. not as easy and fast to help as kicking a drunk in the butt
our suffering and deaths should be more than saving your taxes  the hard way.

Obama supporters party hardy...here's what you can expect during an Obama administration:

Shots Fired at Party with Usher and Nelly

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20216642,00.html

 Gunfire erupted early Saturday at an Atlanta nightclub party sponsored by Jermaine Dupri and attended by music stars Usher, Nelly and Sean "Diddy" Combs. A security guard was reportedly wounded.

"I'm sad this incident happened because it interrupted a beautiful and loving party. But I'm happy none of my people or friends got hurt. And the party continues," Dupri tells PEOPLE in a statement.

 

 

Like McCain, jabailo is star struck.

Yes, We Can

jaba, you've sunk to a new low...even for you.  What the hell does this have to do with Obama? 

Maybe this is what we could expect from a McCain administration.  Although I say that tongue in cheek, it makes more sense than your idiotic post.  In this case, at least McCain will be present at the uhhh, event, and making a speech.

Jaba, the cleaners called. Your sheet is ready.

Looks like to me Jaba is fan of Usher. 

Yes, We Can

More like T I.

 What you know about it?

 

Did they get all of the blood stains out?

Did they get all of the blood stains out?

 Is my name R. Kelly? 

(See if you can figure it out.)

 

What's with your fascination with rappers all of a sudden?

>>Jaba, the cleaners called. Your sheet is ready.

 Thanks...they had to get all the sweat stains out of it from my nights with Beyonce...

 

The main issue I might have a big problem with Obama on is abortion.  However, as I think I've stated here before, I'm not entirely enthralled with how our party has/has not worked to reduce the number of unborn babies who are aborted in our country.  Sometimes it seems like our party is more interested in using abortion as a political football than they are in actually reducing the number of babies who are needlessly killed.

I think Obama should and can work to aggressively reduce the number of abortions through stronger efforts at pushing adoption and other measures.  If the far right could come around to support Romney's flip-flop on abortion, they should also be able to support Obama's promises to reduce abortion via abstinance and adoption.

J, like you, abortion was my big stumbling block in coming to support Obama.  But after careful thought, I realize that even while the GOP had the White House and Congressional control, nothing changed.  We only heard about abortion at election time, as an emotional issue to gain our vote.  I also have come to the conclusion that Roe vs Wade is the law of the land, and very unlikely to ever be overturned.  I guess in the final analysis, it is a religious issue, and those are best left between a woman and her God.  Putting and end to the need for abortions is of primary importance; reducing poverty, adequate health care and education, among other measures, will go a long way towards acheiving that.

 BTW, Matthew 25 addresses that issue.

I had to process the "abortion" issue, as well, in my decision to support Obama. I won't repeat all of the arguments I have posted in the past. I will just say that I gave the Republicans many years to show some significant progress in reducing unwanted pregnancy/abortion and I have seen what John spoke of-they are very good at using the abortion issue like a football but not at producing results. I guess some would say Obama is "riskier" in making progress here but I am willing to give him a chance because if we don't "think outside the box" I'm afriad we will continue to take a downward spin on many issues important to all of us.

I will just say that I gave the Republicans many years to show some significant progress in reducing unwanted pregnancy/abortion ... they are very good at using the abortion issue like a football but not at producing results.

Dear Republican Party,

Don't you know, foolish man, that faith without works is dead.

Sincerely,

James the Apostle.

Millions of "strong Christians" believe women must be able to make their own decisions based on their personal conscience and faith, that a family's control of their own reproductive choices are central the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. It is a commitment that is shared by people of faith tradiions all across the country. You can read denominational statements here: Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice  http://www.rcrc.org/pdf/We_affirm.pdf 

 I think it has become a forgotten fact that it was religious clergy that were early supporters of legalized abortion. These ministers saw death come to their doorstep in the form of illegal and botched abortions and attempts at self-induced abortions.   In 1967, a handful of concerned ministers witnessing the deaths and destruction of families from back-alley abortions, the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion was formed 1967. At the time, the only legal abortions in New York State was to save the life of the woman. It was estimated that criminal abortions exceeded legal ones by a ratio of about 100 to 1. Prior to legalized abortion, more one million women each year sought illegal abortions, which often caused severe mental anguish, physical suffering, and death. The largest percentage of abortion deaths were among women aged 35-39 with five or six children. Thousands of children lost their mothers every year, and that was a terrible tragedy. 

Religious leaders felt a moral obligation and issued the following statement:  "Therefore believing as clergymen that there are higher laws and moral obligations transcending legal codes, we believe that it is our pastoral responsibility and religious duty to give aid and assistance to all women with problem pregnancies. To that end we are establishing a Clergymen's Consultation Service on Abortion which will include referral to the best available medical advice and aid to women in need."   

Women throughout the history of the world have attempted to control their own fertility with greater and lesser success. Abortion has always existed and will never go away. Criminalizing abortion won't make it go away, it will only make it deadly, especially for low income women.  Wealthy women will always have access to safe abortion, legal or illegal. 

The most effective way to reduce abortion is easy access to safe contraception, and it appears that today's Republican party, at least the vocal side, would like to prevent that as well. It's sure not your fathers GOP anymore.

I think for all the rumbling about moral values, the increasing shrillness and vitriol, it is today’s Republican party that has lost it’s moral anchor. I believe Obama has the integrity that has been sorely lacking in American politics, and I am at peace with his position on the right to reproductive choice, including access to safe abortion.

I enjoyed reading your posts. I am a Christian, but strongly Pro-Choice and for years I wrestled with being a Pro-Choice Republican. I rationalized my decision by believing that Roe Vs. Wade will never be overturned no matter who is in office, and that these social issues have no place in politics anyway. With this current administration, and the appointment of some of the supreme court justices, I am no longer so confident that our freedom to choose will be preserved if McCain gets elected. As a Republican I stand for less government. To me less government also includes getting the government out of women's bodies, people's marriages, and sex education in schools. Under the abstinence only sex education policies, teen pregnancy, abortion, and STD's are on the rise after decades of decline. I love the argument that we are a Christian nation. No, we are a free nation. Separation of Church and State and Freedom of Religion are two of the basic tenants this nation was founded upon. Religious ideology has no place in politics. I was happy as a clam that McCain got elected, as like many of you I have always supported the moderate senator. However once I saw him change into this conservative puppet and listened to the criticism he received from the party for being "too liberal", I immediately changed my party affiliation to independent and started learning about Barack Obama. I am thrilled to be supporting him in this upcoming election.

I think many Americans feel that what our politics is lacking is an intelligent, comprehensive, balanced approach that includes preventative reproductive healthcare for women, a limitation of the power of the federal government to interfere, but also a recognition of the fact that at some point a blastocyst turns into a sentient being who deserves the government's protection as much as any of the rest of us do. When it's come to the point that we're destroying life post-delivery, when our laws are more liberal than those of European socialist nations, something's not right.

The most important step to take right now is to provide proper healthcare to the millions of underinsured women in this country.

 

I too am a Pro-Choice person who happens to be a Republican.  I generally don’t like to lump the 2 together.  I also have a belief that there are truly no ppl who are pro-life, b/c they always have “mitigating” circumstances that would warrant an abortion.  Personally, I have yet to hear any fellow republican state that they are a pro-life person, end of story.  So, as you can see his Pro-Choice stance doesn’t matter to me at all, because this is small compared to the other reasons why I support him.

My only mitigating circumstance is if the mother will die.  In that case, the baby would also die anyway. 

But that is my personal belief, and I don't intend to try to make anyone agree with me, nor do I intend to start a debate on the subject.  Just as with every "moral" decision, the answer is different for different people.  I just know what is right for me. 

What I DO know for sure is that I would love to see the need for abortion disappear.  I think that some of Obama's plans, including heath care and education, will lead in that direction.  On that, I think we can all agree.

Suzi, I didn't mean to upset you, but you made the point that I was making by stating that there always mitigating circumstances.  I hope that the need for abortion will decrease, but I can assure you that it won't disappear.  There is nothing that a great healthcare plan can do to cure that issue, because pregnancy from incest and rape will unfortunately continue. 

HUGS  HUGS  HUGS  HUGS  HUGS  HUGS  HUGS

 

 

Suthn, I'm not upset at all, and apologize if I came across that way.  In re-reading my post, it was probably the part about not starting a debate that gave you that impression.  My bad.  It wasn't intended for you, but was based on past experiences.  I didn't want some argumentitive troll to butt into an intelligent, respectful discussion of an emotional issue, and start arguing the point with any of us.  I've been down that road here at RFO a few times, and it's trying, to say the least.  Sometimes I forget that we haven't all been here through all the conversations, and that everyone doesn't know how I really feel about the issue.  I'm truly sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.

MANY HUGS RIGHT BACK TO YOU!

That's very interesting. I am pro-life and happen to be a Democrat. But like you said I wonder if anyone is completely pro-life because there are exceptions that they believe in. Like I believe abortion should be permitted as an option if the mother's life is in danger. But like you I don't even consider abortion as a major issue when I vote for President, and I don't really care if Obama were pro-life or pro-choice.

<Religious ideology has no place in politics>

I have come to agree totally with this line of thought.  If we allow religous beliefs to dictate our government policies, then whose religion do we follow?  Would we not risk becoming like some of the Middle Eastern nations whose religious sects battle for control of government?  Just the thought makes my blood run cold.  Sad to say, but allowing the extreme religious right to take control of our party, the GOP seems to have started us in that direction.  It has to stop.....now!

October surprise? Heads up on this one.

The Next Smear Against Obama: "Infanticide"

Yes, We Can

Thanks, Misty. This is the one I've been anticipating and this is the one that I truly fear endangers Obama's campaign.

Like Barbara, I've been waiting for this one to come up, and the way it will be handled from the GOP attack machine frightens me.  I think Obama should act, instead of react.  In other words, I think he should bring it up first, telling the American people why he voted/abstained the way he did.  That would remove the shock value.  He will need to explain this in a very down to earth manner.  If he waits until he is attacked by this, he will only sound like he is trying to make excuses, and/or defend himself.  C'mon Barack....confront it soon and take the wind out of their sails!
Obama will need to be ready for that one. That may bring out the religious right-since they seem to want to stay home-and that vote has made a big difference in many recent elections. I read about his abortion stance in "The Audacity of Hope" and he did not come across as a cheerleader for abortions, just someone who values a woman's choice and does not think the government should interfere. I don't agree with him on abortion, as I stated, but I could understand where he-or anyone who is Pro-Choice-is coming from (I am pretty open-minded.) Since most women are Pro-Choice, Obama may need to stress the idea that the next president will have alot of power in shaping the direction of the Supreme Court. Maybe Obama should create an ad ready to go that shows Pro-Life people or "active Christians" (like us) that support him explaining why they support him despite their personal differences on abortion. Something "personal" tends to move people, especially women.

In terms of education, our next president needs to address the rising rates of HIV/AIDS (I was shocked when I read the below article) which seems to effect the African American population greatly. Honestly, I have not thought much about AIDS lately. I recall the big news it made when Magic Johnson's story came out and a few stories here and there over the years (for example, one local story reported a young man who was sleeping with numerous teenage girls knowing he had HIV but not telling them and then national news stories reporting the terrible rates in Africa, for example) Also, a local musician recently died after a battle with HIV/AIDS. But if it's been out of mind (I kind of just assumed things were under control in the U.S) I have to look to our president- why has he not made it a major issue-and something we should all be thinking about? If I am wrong on this and just have not been paying attention, please instruct me. Also, I think it's more than throwing $ at the problem-we have some deep issues to address (and Obama actually has a plan.)

 More Americans HIV Positive Than Previously Reported

Suzi wrote: “I know there are many of us here that are stong Christians, and have struggled with reconciling some of our beliefs with our support of Barack Obama.” 

And later: “….probably the part about not starting a debate that gave you that impression.  My bad.  It wasn't intended for you, but was based on past experiences.  I didn't want some argumentitive troll to butt into an intelligent, respectful discussion”  

and I wondered if my previous post pointing out that it was largely a religious movement that led to legalized abortion was considered argumentative and I was considered a troll. (I have also edited my previous post so the text is not so large.) 

Rereading the post, I note that Suzi does not mention abortion itself but it is implied in the statement. It is not my intent to argue beliefs, I am only sharing facts: the movement to overturn Roe will not prevent abortions, it will only make them deadly.  

But the meaningful statement in Suzi’s post, “strong Christians” having to reconcile their beliefs, implies something I would argue.  

Now I am not and never have been a dedicated Republican. One doesn’t register parties in my state. I have voted Republican as often as I have voted Democrat. Maybe that makes me something of a troll here.  

I am however, strong in my faith, which is precisely why I lean Democratic these days. The argument I would make with the title of the post is that this whole notion of a “culture war,” so hyped in the media and in our churches, ESPECIALLY the idea that “strong” Christians are naturally Republican therefore implies others are “weak” Christians – if they can be considered Christian at all, is a false paradigm to begin with, one propagated by years of cynical political manipulation. 

The “culture war” is not between religious people and non-religious people, nor “religion and science”.

It is overwhelmingly between one type of Christian world view verses another equally valid, sincerely held, and yes, strongly adhered to Christian world view.  

The sooner we shed the inherent bigotry about which Christian world view is better or stronger or truer, the more loving we will be as a nation, because for every Christian that lives and breathes there is a unique and individual theology.

I don’t agree with Obama on everything, but for the essence of my faith, Obama gets my vote as having the deepest spiritual motivations to make the world a better place for both me and my neighbor.

Lyra, I can understand how amongst Republicans it would be easy to assume that your flavor of Christianity would be met with some resistance, but I believe you'll find a kindred  spirit in Suzi, and in many others here.

I know she can speak for herself, but I think she'll allow me to say that she meant no offense in using that phrase, which we toss about frequently in the south; and further she's one of the least judgmental people you'll ever meet. She's certainly not one to assume that her brand of faith (whatever it may be) is any better or worse than anyone else's.

I know she agrees with you about the misplaced focus and priorities of what is currently known as the "Christian right," as it's a subject we discuss not infrequently here.

Is Lyra your real name? It's so pretty. It's nice to meet you either way. You and your ideas are most welcome here. Let me know if you have any concerns or questions.

~Barbara

Suzi: apologies if I inadvertently misrepresented you.

Whoaaaa!  It seems I am clearly being misunderstood, and unwittingly opened a can of worms.  Barbara, thanks for representing me and my views.  You are right on target.  Lyra, let me clarify, if I may:

1. By "strong Christian" I merely mean that I am strong in my faith.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I am in no way inferring that my faith is better or worse than anyone else's.  As a matter of fact, I'm sure I have a long way to go, but I try to learn every day.

2. I am pro-life.  Period.  That is what's right for me and my personal set of beliefs.  But I in no way think that I have the right to force my opinion on anyone, as their belief system is every bit as valid as mine.  Each person has to make the decision that is right for them.  There is NO way I can know what is in anyone's heart but mine.

3.  By "argumentative trolls" I wasn't referring to anyone that intelligently discussed an issue without being confrontational.  All opinions are welcome here.   I was referring to those that come in here and call us "baby killers" for supporting Obama.  To those that spew the radical right views and limit their votes on one or two hot button issues, then tell us we are stupid, evil or both for not doing the same. 

I posted this thread because we get so many trolls who question our sincerity, as Republicans and as Christians.  I didn't mention abortion in the original post as there can be other issues that some may sturggle with.  (Abortion is one that brings out the trolls though. ;-)  The idea that the Republican party has a monopoly on faith and morals is one of the reasons I have become so disillousioned with my party.  The radical religious right has taken control, and the GOP panders to their voice.  Our forefathers never intended for that to happen.

Ths thread was intended just to give a little info on the Christian support that is out there for Obama, and to help any newcomers that were still possibly struggling with reconciling the two.  It's really very easy to reconcile, once we quite listening to the far right influence.  It's the gentleness of Jesus' teachings in action. (Did you visit the website?  It is very non-judgemental)  I've said here before that as consevatives, maybe it is time to rethink what it is that we want to conserve. 

I'm not sure what part of the country Lyra's from, but you and I know that down here where we hail from there's an awful lot of people who will try to tell you that "real" Christians don't vote Obama. I think that's part of what inspired your thread. And I can see how people who haven't seen much of this constant criticism and antagonism could pehaps misinterpret the feeling behind your post.

I agree with all you say here Barbara.  And I think that 75% of those with that twisted line of thinking come in here and harrass us about not being "real" Christians or "real" Republicans. 

It may take me a little while to see where the misinterpretation could come from.  I thought I was being so careful not to seem critical of either the pro-choice or the pro-life factions, as that isn't what the thread was intended for.  Although I DO see where people that are used to political sites being more aggressive could expect us to be the same, and therefore think there is a hidden meaning within my words.  Ok, so I guess I can see where the misinterpretation could come from. ;-)

Lyra, there was really nothing hidden or implied in what I wrote.  I can certainly respect your opinion, and in fact admire the background that you gave on the issue, of which I wasn't aware.  Thanks for that. 

Asyou get to "know" me, I hope you'll realize that I'm pretty upfront with what I say, and that the only people I tend to be judgemental about are those who are prejudiced against any group of people, or those who are just idiots. ;-)  Otherwise, I think different opinions and thoughts are what make this world interesting.

 

What a terrific website. I am a Republican currently living overseas, and have decided to give my vote to Barack Obama. Clearly there are many insightful people within this group, so I do not need to explain my reasons. Only to say I am excited for the first time in a long time to be able to cast my vote in Election '08

The abortion issue is an interesting one. I have believed for a long time that many pro-lifers chant out the normal mantra without any true understanding of the global reality of women's reproductive health, an issue close to my heart. A receny study in the Lancet provided some sobering statistics:

A study published in the Lancet shows that between 1995 and 2003, the global rate of induced abortions fell from 35 per 1,000 women each year to 29. This period coincides with the rise of the "globalised secular culture" When the figures are broken down, it becomes clear that, apart from the former Soviet Union, abortion is highest in conservative and religious societies. In largely secular western Europe, the average rate is 12 abortions per 1,000 women. In the more religious southern European countries, the average rate is 18. In the US, where church attendance is still higher, there are 23 abortions for every 1,000 women, the highest level in the rich world. In central and South America, where the Catholic church holds greatest sway, the rates are 25 and 33 respectively. In the very conservative societies of east Africa, it's 39...
Chillingly, as the Lancet paper shows, there is no relationship between the legality and the incidence of abortion. Women with no access to contraceptives will try to terminate unwanted pregnancies. A World Health Organisation report shows that almost half the world's abortions are unauthorised and unsafe. In East Africa and Latin America, where religious conservatives ensure that terminations remain illegal, they account for almost all abortions. Methods include drinking turpentine or bleach, shoving sticks or coathangers into the uterus, and pummelling the abdomen, which often causes the uterus to burst, killing the patient. The WHO estimates that between 65,000 and 70,000 women die as a result of illegal abortions every year, while 5 million suffer severe complications. These effects, the organisation says, "are the visible consequences of restrictive legal codes".

The article went on to note that the supposedly pro-life policies of George W. Bush are directly responsible for killing thousands of the most vulnerable people on earth after Bush cut off funding to family planning services and health clinics all over the world to stoke the zeal of his religious base.

When George Bush blocks aid for family planning charities that promote safe abortions, he ensures, paradoxically, that contraceptives are replaced with backstreet foeticide. These people spread misery, disease and death.

 


Yeah, there have been some really sobering analyses in the Lancet over the last several years.

Welcome to the board, Dianna! Are the locals over there following our election?

Yes they are, it is quite amazing to me.  The issue of the US election was raised on talkback radio the other day, and I was surprised at the amount of knowledge the locals had regarding US politics.  There is clearly huge support for Obama. There seems to be two main reasons for his popularity. Firstly his background, both ethnic and educationally, suggests to people he will have a broader understanding and appreciation of global affairs. Secondly, the fact he is trying to stay above the fray of the dirty politics of the past suggests he has more class and integrity than the lying dishonest bunch that have occupied the White House for the last eight years.

Believe me, it is not until you are out of the US that you understand the complete dislike (probably being kind here) and the dismay at what George Bush and Dick Cheney have done to the reputation of America.  It is heartbreaking.  

Here is an email I got from Matthew 25 today, with a petition asking McCain to take down the "The One" ad.  I signed it, and hope others will and will send it around via email.:

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Dear Friends,

As Christians, we were appalled to see John McCain's recent ad entitled "The One." 

This ad, released on the web last Friday, tries to portray Senator Obama as some kind of Messiah and mocks those who support him as cult-like followers looking for a new Savior.  Even more troubling, many view the ad as a dark attempt to portray Senator Obama as an anti-Christ figure.

The One adThe McCain campaign has said that the ad is meant to be humorous.  But make no mistake about it: this ad is targeted at Christian voters with a very dark message.

We reject this tactic of fear and distortion out of hand. This false, desperate, and insulting ad should be renounced and taken down immediately.

Tell Senator McCain to repudiate this ad and take it down.  Sign our petition to Senator McCain today.

Please forward this email to as many friends and family as you can.  We cannot let this kind of negative campaigning go unanswered. 

Help us get thousands of signatures in the next 48 hours.  Sign-here.

Thanks Suzi, I had a feeling that religious groups would not approve of McCain's ad. I signed the petition, and sent it to my e-amil list of family and friends. 

Yes, We Can

Thanks Suzi and Barbara. Do not think that I have taken any offense at anything posted here. I guess what I am trying to instill among readers here is something you all agree with, but I want you to understand how your choice in the framing of your words in some ways inadvertently reinforces the views of the Christian right.

 

I do understand that your intent is to connect with what the media would label Christian conservatives - those who once felt that the Republican party best represented their beliefs on social issues, for example abortion (which struck a chord with many readers) or perhaps gay rights, but whom now view other issues not related to sexuality as more pressing concerns. These are the people your post seems to have addressed.

 

Understanding that you did not intend to suggest that Christians must grapple with faith in their support for Obama, none the less you reinforce the meme that "true Christians" would have difficulty leaving the Republican party.

 

Memes are learned ideas, concepts or feelings that propagate themselves throughout culture - meme theorists describe it as the spread of ideas and cultural phenomena that operate much like a biological virus - one that mutates as it spreads.

 

About 30 years ago, the power brokers of the old Republican party, in an effort to expand and solidify a voter base beyond the "country club" republicans, launched a platform designed to tap into an emotional chord using religious feelings to turn votes. Over the course of decades, the program was so successful that the radical Christian right effectively seized power of the party, but for the most part it's still about money. Today's GOP uses resentment tactics to stir fervor among their supporters.

 

The Council for National Policy is a perfect example, formed to bring together leaders of the Religious right with industry and corporate heads seeking less regulation and more corporate and wealthy tax breaks.    This was the beginning of the decline of the party in many ways but it is only now bearing its sour fruits. Check out the Texas State GOP platform to see how far from traditional Republican ideals the party has strayed in favor of Christian Mullahs.

 

Meanwhile the Timothy LeHayes/Dobsons/Kennedys have achieved only crumbs on their social policy, but the tax breaks for the wealthy and diminished oversight on industry have succeeded beautifully. We are stuck in an unjust war we were tricked into, and the corruption of the Bush administration is only now beginning to see the light of day. Millions of children go without healthcare and by almost any measure on quality of life, the US is on a race to the bottom among industrialized nations. The deficit is out of control and our children's children will still be paying the price for our folly. We've had the largest growth of Federal Government and the deepest intrusions into our personal lives ever. Our GDP is now so dependent of the weapons industry and war has become so profitable for the ruling class (think Eisenhower's military industrial complex) that so called conservatives spit out the word "peace" like it was bile. We are the world's arms dealers.

 

And you know what? It's all our fault, both as Christians and as Republicans.

 

Whether through apathy or a failure to look beyond mainstream media for meaningful truth, we've allowed ourselves to buy the meme and spread it to our neighbors. True conservatives are called RINO's by the NEW radicalized Republican party. The world sees the nasties like Ann Coulter, Savage and Limbaugh as spokesmen for the GOP! The Bush era has dissolved the moral fiber that was once the foundation of the party. The only voters on the Republican side this fall will be the radical Christians (if McCain's pandering works) and Republicans who haven't woken up to smell the stench yet! And even that will be our fault for having empowered them and then sat mute while they destroyed the party.

 

Surveying the media, the very word "Christian" now denotes only the Pat Robertsons, and we've allowed that to happen. It's too late to take back the Republican party - McCain's "The One" ad proves that and it's better to let it implode and come back and pick up the pieces later, but we can still reclaim American Christianity.

 

Look at this sentence again: "I know there are many of us here that are stong Christians, and have struggled with reconciling some of our beliefs with our support of Barack Obama." Wouldn't it be better to proudly own both your faith and your support by saying:

 

"Because we are strong Christians, we support Barak Obama as best representing our cherished values of faith and liberty. While no candidate aligns perfectly on every issue, we believe the many crises we face as a nation will be best served by Obama's integrity and sincere Christian values. Millions of Christians across the nation agree - for example, Matthew25...."

 

This is a movement - seize the moment!

 I truly appreciate your suggestions, and can see where you are coming from.  But the post wasn't intended to be an abortion debate, nor was there anything implied or hidden "between the lines".  As always at RFO, I was upfront in the expression of my thoughts.

Over the past several months, many of us here have discussed our issues, and yes, our struggles in the beginning, with various (depending on the person) of Obama's positions.  As Matthew 25 says, no candidate is without flaw.  We have discussed them all, talked about abortion ad nauseum, and have all come to one conclusion:  We are all intelligent, informed voters.  We are all aware of the very valid arguements on both sides of issues.  The obvious conclusion is that people have different positions, and neither will change the minds of the "other side".  We don't even try.  This website was posted to give those still having doubts Christian based insight.  AND for us to share with those that would vote for Obama if only he weren't for _______.

I loved your last paragraph, it was beautifully written.  I'm sure it expresses you.  I DO proudly own my faith and my support of Obama, and feel most confortable expressing it in my own way, a way that expresses me.

I would love for you to post on other threads, and give us your thoughts and opinions on the subjects contained therein. 

Dearest Suzi and Lyra,

  As par for the course, Suzi, I am so proud of you and your heart.  I wrote two editorials if you recall about the importance of the Farm Bill and I will post them again on a separate thread for Lyra and others to read.  The reason that I wrote them was to bring light to the importance of this bill which in the end passed, despite Bush's veto and McCain's opposition, and to show that McCain has no heart for the hungry and gives testament to the "Politics of Meanness" into which the GOP has morphed.  Pretty sad for the party that seemingly owned the corner block on Christian principles.   God Bless the Matthew25.org.  I will pass this on to my progressive friends who are working hard to elect Obama.  Thank you for sharing.

 He who has hope has everything.  Hopemongers are we.

MaggieCat

Thanks Maggie, as usual, you are so sweet.  I remember your fight for the Farm Bill, and followed it closely.  I was so happy when it finally passed.  

You know how I feel about the GOP's use of Christianity as a weapon, all the while forgetting to help "the least of these" while they fatten their pockets will ill gotten gains.  That was the whole reason I posted this thread.  I hope you will forward it not only to your progressive friends, but also to the conservatives who may be being held "political hostage" by the false belief that people of faith only vote Republican.   They are the ones that really need to hear the message, IMO.

I'm glad to see you posting, I've missed you a lot.

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