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Repeal ACA: NAACP Booed Romney


By Misty - Posted on 11 July 2012

At a conference in Houston, Texas, NAACP Booed Romney for suggesting he would repeal ACA.

Is he really that out of touch? I'm really surprised anyone thought it was a good idea to include ACA in his speech.

The unemployment rate for blacks is 14.4%. The black unemployment rate has been roughly double that of whites since the government started tracking the figures in 1972. No Income, No Insurance

Why would this idiot go to a minority organization which  strongly favors  the Affordable Care Act and talk about repealing it??? That's equivalent to going to a Hispanic organization and saying he will shoot down the immigration law!! lol---- I am baffled as to how numb Romney really is to the pulse and heart beat of the average voters!!  he is not perceptive; he is disconnected and unable to relate to people's basic needs. He should have gotten booed !! I can say this emphatically as a minority, Romney did not do the Minority community a favor by coming and singing his Generic Song of repealing Obama care.  In order to appeal to a diverse group, Romney has to come out of his comfort zone and really find out what drives a community or ethnic group.  Attempt to Identify or find out some genuine needs. However, it is evident that he is not genuine about improving a community of people. ughhh!!     

I totally respect what Romney did at NAACP. The booing was despicable. And the tortured left wing defenses of the audience booing are beyond hypocritical.

"The idiot" accepted an invitation to speak. He spoke. G.W. Bush got criticized by the left, legitimately, for consistantly refusing invitations to speak at NAACP national conventions. The left and main stream press would try to embarrass Bush every year for refusing to speak to African-Americans.  So now Romney is an "idiot" for speaking; that makes Bush a genius for snubbing the NAACP.

Romney did not pander. He stated the few consistant principles he holds to in his campaign and did so in the same language that he used in front of Republican primary audiences where you could not find an African-American in the house. No message tailored to the particular audience.

The booing... which showed  about as much class as a Ted Nugent Tea Party anti-Obama rally.. . sent MSNBC and their guest liberals into overdrive:

a) Romney never addressed voter suppression, voter ID and other issues important to the black community.  Well, why should he?  NAACP invited him, not the other way around.  He never asked to come to deliver a message of hope and support for African-Americans. He never raises those issues when he talks to anyone else. Why should he  patronize and condescend to African-Americans? Why should he be criticized for not condescending?

b) Two commentators on MSNBC justified the booing because -- are you ready for this-- he used the word "obamacare" which these two commentators declared was insulting to the President. WHAT?   The national Democratic Party has the word featured prominently  on their webpage TODAY.  http://www.democrats.org/splash/upheld.  The Huffington Post uses it. Chris Matthews uses it. Rachel "Obama is God" Maddow has used it. The White Fracking House uses it. OBAMA has used it. Whose rear end did they pull that one out of?

c) And, of course, Romney was being discourteous by talking past the audience to the national audience. Sure. Every politician that ever made a local stop in the post television era talked to the cameras. Overwhelmingly, people who saw anything of Romney's NAACP speech saw it on news and cable sound bite broadcasts over which Romney has no control. 

Sometimes we get  into "Fox News Left" mode over here. Romney won the day, folks. Every clip I have seen gives the impression of a good speech. And the  booing gives him the win for the day.  Had the NAACP kept their stuff together it could have come off as a win/win... two important rivals treating each other honestly and respectfully.  Had they figured out a way to ask a sharp but controlled question about voter suppression, they might have even pulled the win from Romney.  Nope. The booing will be the definitive sound bite for the day, and it is a loser for NAACP and Zero help to Obama.   Romney looked like a leader, cool under pressure, thanks to NAACP brilliance, and he gets that victory lap all by himself.

Round to Mitt 10-9. No knockout but a clear decision win.

 

I agree entirely with Tom's post.  All of the tidbits I've read about Romney's speech are very positive... this was one isolated incident in the midst of overall positive messages.  His comments about his dad being involved with civil rights were right on point. 

Edit to add: just because I'm not voting for Romney doesn't mean I can't be a fair judge of BOTH candidates.  I worry sometimes that our forum looks like we've become victims of political dogma while complaining about the same thing from Republicans. 

In fact, there have been times I've thought about eliminating my activity on this site because of that.   

Almost every message Romney delivered at the NAACP convention received at least polite applause, including his message against same sex marriage, which received loud approval.

The fact that the NAACP audience booed Romney's mention of repealing Obamacare was EXACTLY what should have happened. It is blacks who are poorest, and have the hardest time procuring health insurance. And, they also remember Romney championed, and signed into law in Massachusetts, basically the same law as ACA.

I strenously disagree that, just because a speaker is invited to speak before a group, every single thing he says has to be agreed with; and when it's disagreed with strenously, I think booing is the preferred manner of expressing displeasure with the comment.

That said, I think it was shrewd on Romney's part to do that. It will play well in the right wing media.

Come on, Tom. Rule # 1: Know your audience. Just as Obama found that out recently when he was booed for a sports reference, Romney should know better. And it wasn't like these were planned boos. If you listen to most of the speech, the crowd politely claps and even cheers a few times. But these comments were awkward & misplaced (I'd argue even shocking for some if you look at their faces) and led to spontaneous boos because they were offensive and showed a complete lack of understanding of what repealing "Obamacare" would mean to millions of African Americans and ALL citizens. That may work with a conservative crowd but really? How did he think that would play? And it's so disingenuous since Romneycare is the same thing but suddenly his creation is evil? The audience members aren't dumb. I appreciate that he accepted the invitation to be there but I just think he missed an opportunity to really connect and show some leadership. Would it have hurt to mention the voter suppression issues that impact mostly minorities? Oh, that would require a real leader. He didn't even do simple steps to at least give a few ideas/plans of his own. No, it was all generic garbage. Looking at all the "out of touch" headlines this inspired today, I really don't think Romney won the day. And I resent this polite, respectful audience being condemned for a very natural reaction to insensitive comments. Why would Rush Limbaugh paint this audience as rude for booing but Tea Party groups who boo at events are just good patriotic citizens exercizing their free speech? He is probably thinking: "Don't the blacks know their place?" If Romney agrees to speak, he should not expect to muzzle his audience or criticize a negative reaction that he clearly could have avoided. It was his choice to put that in the speech and he needs to suffer the consequences.

Under this pathetic strategy, I guess Romney's people have a speech prepared for Michigan in which Romney rails against the auto bailout?

It would be like President Obama being invited to a conservative event and making negative comments about their hero, Ronald Reagan. He'd be an idiot not to expect boos! If there was ever a day in which Romney proved just how out of touch he is, it's today (although we hve many others to choose from!)

Michale Steele (back in June): GOP Ignores Minorities

Michael Steele today (July 11)

The former RNC chairman talks to TPM’s Evan McMorris-Santoro and says Mitt Romney’s speech today to the NAACP is a “moot point” but he doesn’t stop there:

The RNC has done very little since I left office to expand on the work that we had done in this area. They’ve got a website, God bless them. It’s always good to put a website up with some black faces on it. Outreach.

Outreach indeed.

I don't always agree with Mr. Steele, but he was spot on!!!!  :)

I don't always agree with Mr. Steele, but he was spot on!!!!  :)

Translating Romney: I'm going to take away your chance at getting health insurance

I know he still needs to win over his skeptical base but it's as if he doesn't even realize he's in the general election now. I find this quote almost impossible to believe so I'll need to triple check sources but this was apparently Romney's response to the booing: "According to a pool report from Romney’s Hamilton, Montana fundraiser, he brought up the booing, and told donors “if they (Obamacare supporters) want more stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy – more free stuff. But don’t forget nothing is really free.” Could he possibly be THAT tone deaf?

Oh... where to begin.

No... the first rule is NOT  know your audience. The first rule is know the speaker you bring into your audience.2nd rule is know that the cameras and media will cover the audience as well as the speaker. (Romney aced his part; NAACP audience, not so much).

Romney understood his audience.  The NAACP didn't understand the media they invited into the event. Go ahead and Google this event where the audience was polite for most of the speech and what do you get: "ROMNEY BOOED AT NAACP CONVENTION.  NAACP apologists (and at least one poster here) are coming forward... ahem... contextualizing the booing.  That's playing defense against your own errors.

"And I resent this polite, respectful audience being condemned for a very natural reaction to insensitive comments."

I  do condemn  NAACP for  booing (or more precisely for booing rudely an invited speaker, coming off like a bleachers audience in a Phillies game, and, with news cameras in the room, giving Romney a nice PR cushion against his own possible miscues). Resent it all you want. 

They booed a line "Repeal Obamacare" he has been using in public for months. Are you arguing that NAACP membership is too sensitive to engage in national political debate on the same terms as everyone else? That NAACP needs a separate (but equal?) re-phrasing of political positions lest they erupt into "very natural" disorder at the mere mention of a standard conservative position?

Romney was not rude or even out of touch.  He had a message for the NAACP that conservatives, including black conservatives like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, have been touting for years: lower government domestic spending (some of us might call it "investment" but Romney got the invitation to speak, we didn't ) in the free market does more to  help impoverished communities than government planning, spending, intervention and regulation.  This is 18th century free market capitalism. I think one can expect a professional organization with a distinguished legacy and some presumption toward national leadership to handle a familiar, almost cliched, conservative economic position,  without sounding like Ted Nugent's fans when he starts dropping Hillary Clinton's name to gin up crowd vitriol.

I like the idea that Romney walked in and said, if you want more program-oriented government, vote for the other guy. What I hear there is "I have principles (for once), I am sticking by them, I believe they are better for your interests and the nation's interests. than those proposed by Obama, and I am not going to make or even hint at changes in point of view that I have no intention of keeping." Sounds like leadership to me.

"Would it have hurt to mention the voter suppression issues that impact mostly minorities?"
I, too, am appalled at the lack of attention to this issue. I am appalled that it took AG Eric Holder three years to make a public issue of it when this crap has been going on systematically and openly since Rove/Bush/Gonzalez were screwing around.  If we are going to start kicking arse on this site about ignoring voter suppression, we have a LONG list of people to work on before we get to Romnney.

I appreciate the need for bone-headed opposition that excoriates Romney for changing his mind (flip flopper with no principles) and excoriates Romney for being consistant (he is "out of touch" because he won't change his message or presentation to suit the NAACP, factory workers, etc.).I won't sit here and claim I have never done it.   But that's pep rally cheerleading. It's  part of political theater. Let's just not kid ourselves into thinking it's reasoned, balanced argument or judgment.
 

 

 

 

I guess we (once again) have to agree to disagree. BTW-Biden had an awesome speech to the NAACP-really fired them up and me too! You should take a listen. I think they are taking your advice to draw a sharp contrast between Romney & Obama. I think Biden said what matters most is character, integrity and vision and he sure spelled out what Romney is missing today while outlining the direction they want to go. Republicans are starting to outwardly grumble that they are shocked Romney seems to think he can run on "I'm not Obama"-refusing to detail his own plans. They are saying "we get the attraction to that style but it can only work so long." Between this generic, no stance on issues strategy and the way he has handled Bain, there is alot of frustration by GOP insiders today. I read a few articles (some hard-hitting ones even on Romney-friendly Politico) quoting Republican leaders saying that it's almost too late for Romney to respond to Bain or release his tax records-Obama has successfully defined him and the narrative is starting to stick.

 All good, KT. 

Caught some quotes from Biden's speech.  LOVED 'EM. >>Imagine what kind of a Supreme Court we would have. Imagine what kind of Department of Justice we would have (although I am not more than B or B- on the current one, still Romney's would be unthinkable).<< GREAT stuff,

Some WashPo columnist was talking about the speech as one that could re-fashion Biden as a presidential contender in 2016. (I would probably go Hillary if she wants it, but if not, I don't see a better second choice at the moment.)

The NAACP convention is just about out of the news cycles by now any way. On to the next skirmish, I guess.

(I am literally overjoyed at how well and how hard the Obama camp is pounding Romney on the Bain Capital business -- despite Penthouse Clinton and Board Room Rendell's protests. Oy, that means next pay check I send another contribution -- I can't afford to have Obama run a strong, tough campaign week in and week out. I haven't budgeted for that. LOL).

Romney deployed "plants" in the audience at NAACP convention in Houston?

Take this for what it's worth. And how much accuracy there is here, I have no idea.

How's that for a disclaimer?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/12/romney-campaign-may-have-secretl...

Romney deployed "plants" in the audience at NAACP convention in Houston?

The answer is NO because even if he did "deploy plants" in, he didn't do anything that Obama and every other politician with an advance team doesn't do for every public event.

 NAACP convention is open to all members. Membership cost $30. The NAACP convention had onsite registration (as do most conventions, check the website)

Romney knew he was going to speak at least a couple of weeks ago, maybe longer. If his camp urged, or even purchased, gift memberships to friends to qualify them to go to the convention, attend, and cheer for him, fine.  Find an Obama public event on the road that was not orchestrated, to the point of knowing who is in the audience, who is standing behind him and who is visible on camera?  With his disapproval ratings among white, blue collar workers in the midwest, you think Obama is going to walk into a Ohio factory and give a speech prior to an operations team doing a four-times-over check of every staging detail? Come on, folks.

Plus, the link to this story has the headline "Romney MAY HAVE (my emphasis) deployed plants. Well he MAY HAVE  tried to deploy nerve gas pellets at the convention that failed. He MAY HAVE saved a choking NAACP staff person back stage with the Heimlich maneuver and ordered everyone not to say a word about it. You know, he MAY HAVE!!!

Sorry, but it REALLY bugs me when this site goes FOX NEWS LEFT.   Romney has enough real flaws that we don't have to invent garbage or traffic in innuendo, or "I'm just throwing a bunch of crap about Romney out there... you decide if it's true."

Sincerely,

TomG., RFO resident grumpy old man

OK, resident grumpy old man (I'm not young myself).

I believe my disclaimers were indeed sufficient to express doubt about the overall veracity of the story. And the lead header was followed by a "?". Nevertheless, I thought it should be posted.

Certainly, I need post no apology for doing so.

P.S. FOX NEWS LEFT would have sworn to the veracity of the story, even if and when it was proven wrong, and stuck to their guns. FOX NEWS LEFT? OK. Ailes, Hannity, O'Reilly and company would commit ritual suicide. Can we also have MSNBC RIGHT then?

I didn't suggest, hint, or even imagine that you should apologize. Why would I expect an apology from someone who MAY be embezzling  cookie money from the Girl Scout troops in his area?   (Sorry... couldn't resist).

"FOX NEWS LEFT would have sworn to the veracity of the story, even if and when it was proven wrong, and stuck to their guns"

Actually,  I am not so sure. They really don't seem to operate quite that way for the most part.  When Ailes or other execs get called out on a factual matter, they  often take the position that  their "opinion" or "feature" shows are not hard news and, thus, are not as accountable (as in not accountable at all) for factual accuracy. (This is the most strangely unexplored aspect of FOX News in terms of analysis by other media; they have basically melded the journalistic concept of "informed opinon" with "anything that comes flying out of the pie hole" into the same thing -- OPINION)

Of course, all of their flagship ratings shows are "opinon" or "feature" shows. Fox and Friends, O'Reilly, Hannity, Gretchen Whatzerface, Huckabee, and anything that ever dragged Palin in front of a camera.  So there is no need to swear to the veracity of much of anything: it's...OPINION.  Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, and Bret Bair  are among the presumptively straight ahead news people.

FOX News also seems to stay away from factual accountability by hiding behind the front-end loaded/begged "news" question: the Obamas fist bump each other on stage: could this be a terrorist salute? Is Obama bragging too much about killing Osama Bin Laden? Our experts weigh in. [Experts at what, exactly. How does a NY based Fox commentator, much less a panel of them, become  expert at analyzing the killing of Osama Bin Laden?). Or there is the fact-immune, unprovable invented issue (War on Christmas [what the hell is that?], Obama's father's (unknown to Obama since age 4 or something) and his indelible Kenyan/anti-American influence on his son's psyche.

"Can we also have MSNBC RIGHT then?"  I love MSNBC, but in trying to defend NAACP booing Romney they haven't looked that lame since Maddow went on her idiot crusade to defend Rep Anthony Weiner's internet crotch performances as no reason for him to be forced out of office.

 

TomG, it was just your "Sorry, but it really bugs me when this site goes FOX NEWS LEFT" comment that really inspired my "rebuttal" comment. I don't think posting what I posted with "?" and disclaimers in the body constitutes anything like I would imagine FOX NEWS LEFT would do, although I don't make it a habit to watch B.S., so I'm only guessing here.

Anyway, I still disagree with your assertion that the NAACP audience booing Romney's vow to repeal "Obamacare" was anything other than proper for the setting. We will have to agree to disagree here.

Fair enough.

 I agree people should expect that Romney has no Conscience and he is “clueless” when he speaks before his constituencies. That’s why he is labeled as “disconnected” and out of touch with the average voters. When a speaker is talking to a diverse audience it is called being “perceptive” and not “pandering”.  Romney didn’t have to make phony promises to the audiences at the NCAAP; they knew where he stood on the issues. They were not looking for him to support the Affordable care Act; that was a given that he did not need to address. The audience was looking for common ground on various issues. Romney had the opportunity to address the African American audience and bridge the gap with the African American voters even if he did not win over the majority.  

He had the chance to sow the seed that the Republican and conservative leader cared about the concerns of the African American community.  What did he do?? He went a step further than his past predecessors by directly pandering to the conservative audience at the African Americans’ expense!!  Simply because Bush and the rest of the conservative leaders were Morons and cowards for not addressing their African American constituencies doesn’t make it okay for Romney to address the audience in a raw, clueless incognito fashion. When Obama speaks to his audience, he speaks to their need without deviating from his core values; President Obama is capable of finding common ground with a diverse audience. This is something Romney truly needs to learn. How will Romney speak before a Muslim audience or any group that does not share his values? My goodness is it asking too much just to find common ground??

 

This mindset that the conservative politician can avoid the African American community because they don’t have to “pander” to them solidifies this ethnocentric mentality. African Americans’ are the constituencies too, so why not solicit their concerns??--- The notion that a political leader can continue to avoid the African American voter in the 21st Century is asinine and stupid!!  It is this age old mentality that the non-black leader is doing the African American voter/community a favor by acknowledging them. Therefore, even if the so call political leader doesn’t speak to their needs “at least he acknowledged them!”   The minority community is waking up slowly and demanding the same acknowledgment, respect and appreciation as any other constituency or group of people. The African American community doesn’t deserve less!! Just because it was a “practice” for all conservative leaders to bypass and avoid the black community doesn’t mean the African American community should be jumping for joy due to some mediocre presence from some “apathetic, indifferent, clueless Republican candidate!!

"The audience was looking for common ground on various issues. Romney had the opportunity to address the African American audience and bridge the gap with the African American voters even if he did not win over the majority. "

You're right, he didn't bridge the gap.  He clearly chose not to. I would consider this an appalling decision on his part if he had asked to speak on the pretense that he wanted to bridge gaps and mend fences.  It would have been an appallingly manipulative, exploitative thing to offer that olive branch and then give the speech he did. But the invitation came from NAACP.

Your post makes me flip that supposition, though.  If NAACP extended the invitation to Romney, knowing his positions, and then booed him publicly for positions they knew he was going to take (thinking, mistakenly in my view, that the booing of Romney would lead to a "net" embarrassment and negative for him), I have to wonder who is being exploitative and manipulative.

"He had the chance to sow the seed that the Republican and conservative leader cared about the concerns of the African American community."

He did. He said that less government, fewer purpose-directed government programs will eventually bring more jobs to all communities, including African-American communities, than more government investment. The costs associated with Obamacare (now a term of choice, amazingly, among Democrats) are among those costly government programs he would eliminate. He disdains on personal and economic principles government support of individuals (yes, I know, he gets enough tax breaks in a year to fund whole school districts, but doctrinaire conservatives, as every Republican of any stripe knows, believe sincerely that governement financial breaks to 'entrepreneurs' do not count as government handouts). This is his vision for improving America economically -- or if it is a bald-faced lie, it is the same bald faced lie he tells everywhere on how to improve America economically.

"Just because it was a “practice” for all conservative leaders to bypass and avoid the black community doesn’t mean the African American community should be jumping for joy"

False dichotomy: >NAACP had to boo him otherwise it would appear they were jumping for joy.<  Not taking that bait.

Today is Woody Guthrie's 100th birthday, Darling and everybody. There is beautiful weather in Western New York this morning.  I hope there are endless skyways and golden valleys wherever you are.

 

 

 

You're right, he didn't bridge the gap. He clearly chose not to. I would consider this an appalling decision on his part if he had asked to speak on the pretense that he wanted to bridge gaps and mend fences. It would have been an appallingly manipulative, exploitative thing to offer that olive branch and then give the speech he did. But the invitation came from NAACP.

I am a member of the NAACP; therefore, I know their desire for equality runs the gamut whether they are encountering Republicans, Gay issues and many other equal right concerns. The NAACP does not want to be exclusive of a Republican leader. The fact that they have invited various conservative leaders speaks to their desire for consensus even with a party with different views. They are not a closed or narrow minded organization. It doesn’t matter that the NAACP initiated the invite; Romney, who wants to be the leader of a diverse nation, should want to bridge gaps in these terrible times.  However, Romney spoke true to his form; he is a lying phony manipulator. Isn’t he the originator of the Obamacare??  Did he not say leave contraception alone ( all of a sudden now he is against women’s’ health??) It’s okay for him to be a lying manipulator before a non-black audience but OH no!! It is forbidden and a shame for him to appease a black audience!! How terrible is that?!! He must speak the truth before a black audience but he can bend and twists like a pretzel before his conservative narrow minded, xenophobic hate filled base.  Romney has no core so he has to speak like a robot for his Rulers ( the Koch brothers). Just like a liar, he has contradicted himself a hundred times over and moved so far to the right that he can’t even recognize himself lol!

 

He did. He said that less government, fewer purpose-directed government programs will eventually bring more jobs to all communities, including African-American communities, than more government investment.

 

This generic mundane sing song statement did not reflect anything unique or broad about his knowledge regarding the issues in the African American community.  I can vouch that the vast majority of the audience at the NAACP were educated people and business owners ( Like me), so they are not looking for a handout, nor do they want a leader who is against small business owners; that’s why they support a leader like President Obama who is trying to regulate a system to reduce  the exploitation of the average Americans  and providing tax breaks for small businesses.  African Americans are not only concerned about the entitlement programs(Which millions of non-blacks take advantage of) but they are entrepreneurs and leaders who want a better economic environment for themselves and the community too!! We are not concerned about a handout. However, what we know to be true is that there is a great deal of disparity in the minority community on health and economic issues; as well as, there is a growing older population. Progressives believes that there should be a system that supports the vulnerable population (like the mentally and physically challenged along with the elderly).

Helping the poor is not a “handout”; it is helping our fellow Americans. I believe there needs to be more structuring of the entitlement programs so healthy people don’t depend on the system.  But the notion that we need the great hope (like Romney) to lead minorities to the promise land because minorities lack ideas or aspirations is Ludacris.  What the minority community desires is an even playing field and minimal institutionalized discrimination to flourish. Tom, I hope you have sunny days too but I will move away from this subject because I will agree to disagree with you. Have a lovely day.      

Well said, Darling.

We don't really disagree on much.  Whatever Romney was going into the NAACP meeting he was going out. We may disagree on what that is, but we seem to agree that it is some version of despicable. 

We may also disagree on whether giving his same tired Chamber of Commerce speech before the NAACP was a terrible, disappointing thing. (I go with Eric Sevareid on these matters.  During a bullfight people yell criticisms at the Matador because there is really no point in yelling criticisms at the bull. Why criticize Romney for putting his head down with horns out, and charging at the red cape. He's been bred to do that.) 

I will also admit to being rather closed to discussions of contextualized booing and other rude acts against INVITED or scheduled speakers at professional events, irrespective of their views. In college I ran afoul of fellow anti-Vietnam War pals on this self same issue back in the day, so I am not surprised at the reaction here.

The Bain/Tax release stuff is now  running away with the news. Good messaging and attack strategy by Team Obama. Long may it wave.

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