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This doesn't sound good....

No doubt about it.  The possibility of a flu pandemic really scares me.

Most people, still, think of flu and stomach flu as being the same illness (at least in my crazy family).  My mom refuses to get a flu shot because she doesn't want to throw up.  (Yes, I have tried to explain what a flu shot is to her.)


"Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
"Or the one."

- Captain Spock & Admiral James T. Kirk

- Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan


I just heard something on the radio on the way to drop my grandson off at Parents Day Out, so I couldn't catch the source.

If someone could follow up on this, I would greatly appreciate that!

Here is what was being discussed:

The swine flu does have a very good probability of becoming a pandemic. At least a widespread epidemic.

And it is a very serious flu. The people dying were not the young or old, but people in their 20s to 50s.

And it is rapidly beginning to pop up in the U.S. (a school in New York has at least 8 students sick with it -- they were in Mexico for spring break).

I don't need research on that, here's what I heard that raised my eyebrows:

The Republicans successfully removed as much as $900 million from the stimulus (or budget?) especially earmarked for pandemic response measures, including an additional $400 million for the CDC in connection with flu vaccine medication stockpiles.

It was in there, and was targetd by Repubs as being "pork" and the Dems caved and pulled it out!

 I think they said Sen. Susan Collins (a somewhat moderate republican from Maine) is the one who orchestrated the removal.


Say WHAT?! 

Yes, Indeed.  Think Progress has an update on it.  

Senators cut Pandemic Flu Funding.  

COLLINS: There's funding to help improve our preparedness for a pandemic flu. There is funding to help improve cyber security. What does that have to do with an economic stimulus package? [CNN, 1/31/09]

COLLINS: I think everybody in the room is concerned about a pandemic flu. But does it belong in this bill? Should we have $870 million in this bill? No. We should not. [MSNBC, 2/5/09]

I don't necessarily believe in Karma, but this is definitely a Cosmic 2x4 knocking on Senator Collin's door.    


"Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
"Or the one."

- Captain Spock & Admiral James T. Kirk

- Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

She's seriously questioning why it would be appropriate in a stimulus package?

Does she not have any idea how a pandemic can disrupt an economy, especially one that is limping along, at best?!


Your mom might be like a lot of us older people chance. If I get the flue shot, I get the flue with in hours of takeing it. The same thing happens to a lot of people. Every year my Dr. says I need it, and if I leave it alone I am fine. If I take it,  I get sick. Chance the shot has egg white and other ingrediance some people are plan allergic to or cause's a lapse in the immune system-----allowin some to actually get sick. So, don't rule your mom's theory or thoughts about the shot out, ok!

Jupitor, trust me, it's coincidence. If you get the flu within hours, then it's not from the shot. You would have already have come in contact with the flu virus and it would have been incubating in your body parts prior to your even getting the shot.

Plus, they don't use active or "live" forms of the virus anymore. Haven't for years. The way the concoction is processed in recent years makes it virtually impossible to get the flu from the shot itself. 

Also, it usually takes about 1 to 2 weeks for the flu shot's protection to maximize. So if you get the flu within that timeframe, again, you would already have been exposed to the virus, it would have been incubating in your system, and the full protection of the vaccination would not have been active to prevent it.


I get a flu shot every year. I'm a diabetic and have gotten a flu shot every year for most of my adult life.

It's still possible to get a "flu" after getting vaccinized, since the "recipe" is based on a guess (though a highly educated guess) on which strain the flu virus will evolve into or which strain will be the prominent strain.

However, in most cases, even if you get sick with the flu after taking the shot, the odds are extremely high that it will be a much less virulent attack. That alone is worth the price of admission.


Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)

Different side effects can be associated with the flu shot and LAIV.

The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are

  • Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
  • Fever (low grade)
  • Aches

Here is my story (anecdotal evidence) about how you can feel like you have the flu after getting the flu shot (my smartassiness biting me in the butt  LOL).

I arrange every year for a clinic to come into my company's office to give flu shots.  I asked a guy I worked with if he was going to get the flu shot, and he said no that he got the flu from it.  I teased him that you can't get the flu from the shot and that he was a drama queen (we were friends).  I had never gotten the flu shot before, so that was my first year.  A few hours later I was feeling achy and was at a school district meeting held in a middle school cafeteria.  I was thinking about how sitting on the benches was making my back sore and it kept getting worse and worse.  By the time I got home I had a good fever going and felt like poop.  When I got home I googled the side effects of the shot, and this was them.

I felt so bad that I had to stay home from work the next day, and I never miss work for illness.  I go no matter what I feel like, but this was so miserable.  I claim it was karma for me making fun of my friend.  Luckily I was better that following day.  I got it the next year and had a much milder reaction.  Anyway, after those two times, I've never gotten the shot since.  But I have friends who get it every year and have never had a problem.

Anyway, my experience is what leads me to believe that people do sometimes definitely have side effects from the shot.

I should have added this sentence to the bottom of the side effects post.

"If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last 1 to 2 days."


LAIV (FluMist®): The viruses in the nasal-spray vaccine are weakened and do not cause severe symptoms often associated with influenza illness. (In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely.)

In children, side effects from LAIV (FluMist®) can include

  • runny nose
  • wheezing
  • headache
  • vomiting
  • muscle aches
  • fever

In adults, side effects from LAIV (FluMist®) can include

  • runny nose
  • headache
  • sore throat
  • cough


My kids have had the FluMist spray with no side effects at all.

jupitor has a good point that sometimes people are allergic to certain ingredients in the vaccine, not the virus component itself.
That's true, but those people are really very few and far between.
The point is, they exist.

The vaccine side effects really aren't that rare, and it doesn't have to be because of an allergy to the ingredients.

You can have side effects with most medicines without being allergic to them.  For example, antibiotics can cause diarrhea or yeast infections.

And we all know that when babies and little children get vaccinations, they can sometimes get a fever and not feel well after some of them.

Yes, I'm aware they exist, but I was not speaking to side effects being rare.


I was speaking to the allergic reaction issue.


My point is that people hook onto the exception rather than the norm, and, with vaccines especially, this is not a good thing, in the long run.

Side effects of vaccines can be mild to severe.

Allergic reactions are vigioursly screened for.

I'm a very strong advocate for vaccinations. I've seen the damage NOT vaccinating can do!

I just try to make sure to keep the scare tactics to a minimum. Not that anyone here was doing that, it's just a knee-jerk reaction for me!



Steve, I moved your post from the Emergency thread to here for now.  It was a good one, and I didn't want it to disappear before I decide what to do with the conspiricy thread.  SG's post:

This does bring up a good chance to talk about something I was thinking about. The media sensationalizing these illnesses causes general disbelief and a little bit of hysteria. They did with Bird flu, SARS etc. They do it so much that it's hard to take any of it serious anymore. I am so skeptical about this swine flu thing because we've heard all and been through this before with other things. What if it does turn out to be more serious than it is and people thinking like me don't take it seriously. What if when there is an epidemic that deserves attention and seriousness, it will be hard to not just group it with the rest of the past scares.

These type of media things also fuels the crackpots like this new gentleman that was kind enough to warn us. The media takes these things and produces two groups of people, a majority that don't care or don't take it serious and a group that is scared to death afterwords. Could cause people to develop OCD or another disorder out of fear of germs. It's good for people to be cautious but not to the point that they live in fear to live normally...


Really? Not loving the conspiracy thread, Suzi? ( :
Actually, I read a little of it, and thought it was a hoot! ;-D  I unpublished as opposed to delete till we decide what to do with it.

The outbreak of a new flu strain—a nasty mash-up of swine, avian, and human viruses—has infected 1000 people in Mexico and the U.S., killing 68.

Source: Huffington Post

Corporate Pig Farming

One of the first things they will want to look at are the hundreds of industrial-scale hog facilities that have sprung up around Mexico in recent years, and the thousands of people employed inside the crowded, pathogen-filled confinement buildings and processing plants. In the last several years, U.S. hog conglomerates have opened giant swine CAFOs south of the border, including dozens around Mexico City in the neighboring states of Mexico and Puebla. Smithfield Foods also reportedly operates a huge swine facility in the State of Veracruz. Many of these CAFOs raise tens of thousands of pigs at a time. Cheaper labor costs and a desire to enter the Latin American market are drawing more industrialized agriculture to Mexico all the time, wiping out smaller, traditional farms, which now account for only a small portion of swine production in Mexico.

Is Smithfield Foods, the world’s largest pork packer and hog producer, linked to the outbreak?

Outside the United States, Smithfield owns subsidiaries in France, Poland, Romania and the United Kingdom, and has joint ventures or major investments in Brazil, Mexico, Spain and China. They employ more than 52,000 people worldwide.

Tuesday, August 7, 2007: Smithfield Foods to slaughter some 16,000 pigs amid swine fever outbreak in Romania

April 26, 2009: Residents believed the outbreak had been caused by contamination from pig breeding farms located in the area. They believed that the farms, operated by Smithfield subsidiary called Granjas Carroll, polluted the atmosphere and local water bodies, which in turn led to the disease outbreak. According to residents, the company denied responsibility for the outbreak and attributed the cases to “flu.” However, a municipal health official stated that preliminary investigations indicated that the disease vector was a type of fly that reproduces in pig waste and that the outbreak was linked to the pig farms. It was unclear whether health officials had identified a suspected pathogen responsible for this outbreak. (Source)

Aww fudgebunnies! Right now I've got some immune system problems, so this is the last thing I want to deal with . =_=

Also, thanks, Suzi, for the take-down of the conspiracy nut thread. It's mind boggling to me that anyone could actually believe that sort of thing. You think WHAT!? 
The blatant racism of it was none too appealing either. 



BTW: The governor of my state, of whom I am so "proud" **sarcasm** -- the one who only a week and a half ago was talking about Texas secession -- is now asking for Federal $ to help fight swine flu.


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