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Obama in Senate: Star Power, Minor Role


By Golf11 - Posted on 08 March 2008

A revealing glimpse of Obama in Washington so I thought I'd post a link for others.

http://tinyurl.com/36vn2m 

He was cautious — even on the Iraq war, which he had opposed as a Senate candidate. He voted against the withdrawal of troops and proposed legislation calling for a drawdown only after he was running for president and polls showed voters favoring it

Oh My God!!! i cant believe this is true!! Im heartbroken!! I really believed in him

Are they all Liars!!!! 

sandy sandy sandy dont  unravel ok.  obama is still the man ok dont give up  hope,  he will bring out troops home
Sandy, the withdrawal bill he voted against was a bill to defund the troops immediately. He was smart enough to know that a bill like that would create chaos. He will bring them home, but in an organized manner, as he knows that would create a vacuum that would implode the country.

This is correct. Obama, like many Senators, didn't feel it was fair to punish our servicemen by terminating funding for their equipment at a time of war.

Calm down Sandy, and read further down the thread.  All is well. :)

Thanks pc....it only took me a little research to flush this one out.  The vote was a call for a strict timetable for withdrawal, which included some defunding.  Here is a direct quote Obama made to the Senate on the bill......

<Obama took to the Senate floor to say, 'A hard and fast, arbitrary deadline for withdrawal offers our commanders in the field and our diplomats in the region insufficient flexibility.>

To me this says he put the safety of our troops first, wants to respect the diplomatic process in other middle east countries so that a withdrawal does not cause more chaos, and not give the insurgents in Iraq a date for which they only have to wait before overthrowing the existing government. 

(He also voted in another bill to continue the funding to our troops, as referred to in his "driving the bus into the ditch" analogy during the last debate.)

This sounds like a man that has a very level head when it comes to foreign policy matters, considers all of the possibilities and ramifications, then makes his decision.  This supports his campaign stand of having "good judgement", IMO.

As this was a Dem sponsored bill, he had to cross the aisle with his vote. 

We all need to be careful with believing what we read, without checking it out from other sources.  The fact check website I found this on was definately NOT one that favors Obama.

 

Sandy, if you notice he voted against it because he didn't want to cause chaos; basically avoiding cutting off your nose to spite your face as they say. 

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Golf11, NYC
As far as I know, I have no reason to believe Hillary Clinton is a monster; there's no basis for that, I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

Golf, your sig is hilarious.

This discussion leads me to something I have learned over the years.  When discussing how any candidate votes on a bill, a "yes" or "no" vote does not always tell the story.  Many good bills have been defeated because of the pork that is tacked on to them.

Let me make up a story to demonstrate.  Pretend we are all senators.  Barbara and Erik co-sponsor a bill saying that we support Barack Obama.  Sounds good so far, right?    I add my "pork" which says that each of you will have to be taxed to help me fight a city loop that will go near my property.  This will be very costly to all of you.  Now Sandi adds her "pork" which states that all realtors will get ahuge tax break just because they are realtors.  Then Golf adds "pork" which procures funds from our treasury to build a new golf course, purchasing very high end real estate, but his/her constituents (friends) will love playing on it.  Last but not least, aaron wants to open a RFO funded restaurant near the Galleria in Houston.

Had enough yet?  Most of you would vote a resounding no, despite the fact that you support Obama, or abstain from voting at all. (This is why I am in favor of line-item veto, but that is another discussion all together! ;-)

I know that most of you are aware of this, but I just wanted to make the point that when it is said that someone voted a certain way, there is often more to the story. 

good example...and don't forget that the pork gets added in the committes most times and then when it gets to the floor you have amendments from the minority party that don't make it in committee usually becasue the minority party on the committees have fewer votes so they wait til the bill comes to the floor.

One last point Sandi, the bill was sponsored by John Kerry and if he's not bitter about Obama's vote you shouldn't be either. :) 

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Golf11, NYC
As far as I know, I have no reason to believe Hillary Clinton is a monster; there's no basis for that, I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

Good clarification Golf.  We now have so much pork that we can have a big RFO bar-b-que!  ( I did notice that you didn't "reject" the golf course.;-0)

Because it's an election year, I reject AND denounce the golf course from DAY ONE. However, I respectfully submit that the gentleman consult me after the start of the new session and we can discuss an appropriate compromise to place the language for the golf course in the department of interior's appropriation bill since technically it should be deemed a national park on my sprawling estate; as such, it should be rightfully maintained by the national park service for all members of congress who live in neighboring districts.

Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time with the proviso that I be permitted to revise and extend my remarks. :)

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Golf11, NYC
As far as I know, I have no reason to believe Hillary Clinton is a monster; there's no basis for that, I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

Golf, I do believe that you are a politician in your other life.  LOL  If you aren't you should be. :)  That was great!!!  :-D

Here comes the revise and extend my remarks part. In all instances in my previous post will the chairman instruct the clerk to replace all instances of "gentleman" with "gentlelady," I regret the error and hope that the my freind and colleague, the gentlelady from the great state of Texas accepts my apology for this oversight.

Yes, I lived and worked in Washington for more than 14 years and was really active in politics and congress, so I know the tricks and games real well. I miss RR.

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Golf11, NYC
As far as I know, I have no reason to believe Hillary Clinton is a monster; there's no basis for that, I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

thanks, it's what Obama's staff should have said when asked to comment on Ms. Powers comments earlier this week. I thought it was fitting! :) Maybe I should email it to  the Obama people so they can get a good laugh too. 

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Golf11, NYC
As far as I know, I have no reason to believe Hillary Clinton is a monster; there's no basis for that, I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

You're right Golf,,,,,as far as I know.

Thanks for the grins and giggles. :)

Republican/Native Texan/ Educated - Sucessful Latina for Obama only.

The senator 's middle name may turn out to be a plus, especially with other countries.  They may finally respect the USA for not being racist and maybe the price of oil will decrease...  All kidding aside, I do believe he is the only one that can deliver change.

 McCain is too old and will follow George Bush; and, Hillary only cares about her rich friends.   

 

   

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