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Christopher Buckley: Sorry, Dad, I'm Voting for Obama


By Quackers - Posted on 10 October 2008

Well, well. This McCain/Palin ticket is purging the Republican party like a strong dose of Ex-Lax.

 

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Dear Pup once said to me, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.”

 

Help out William F. and Christopher Buckley seperate thoughtful conservatives from kooks :  Vote for Obama!!!

THE NR is also PO'd at Kathleen Parker for "picking on Palin" - perhaps she and CB should start a NEW magazine?

The scariest thing of all is that these neo cons are like the Khmer Rouge in their distain for the intellectual. 

 

- formerly klaf

Very cool-thanks for sharing!

More and more conservatives are coming out in support for Obama. We really should have a page on this site with an updated list and links to all of the endorsements by conservatives and conservative publications. I'd be happy to help write it.

"You can call the dogs in, wet the fire, and leave the house. The hunt's over." - James Carville, October 7, 2008

Great idea, alina!  Then I can show it to my conservative sister and say "SEE?????"  :=)

 

I think that's an excellent idea.  Hope you do it.

That's exactly the purpose I have in mind. We should organize our inforamation gathering into easy to navigate pages that can help people who come here with a seed of doubt to get better informed, and help people like you who need to prove to their crazy sisters who the crazy one is! :)

"You can call the dogs in, wet the fire, and leave the house. The hunt's over." - James Carville, October 7, 2008

That's a great idea! It would be much nicer to have the info in one place.
 We really should have a page on this site with an updated list and links to all of the endorsements by conservatives and conservative publications. I'd be happy to help write it.

 That's an outstanding idea!

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, & wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

We tried that. So did the offical campaign. The thing is, once you get the exhaustive list together, you're like, "wow, that's kind of underwhelming." What we REALLY need is for the big names that we know support Obama (Powell, Hagel, Watts, etc) to endorse. Then we can put all the heavyweights at the top as headliners, and include all the middleweights to give a sense of the breadth of his cross-party support.

Ah, so THAT's what happened to "Brandon"  ; >

ROFLMAO! "...New York Times columnist David Brooks, who began his career at NR, just called Governor Palin “a cancer on the Republican Party.”..."

LOVE IT!!!! Again, WE are ahead of the curve. We were the FIRST Republicans to see this and I'm feeling pretty darn satisfied. Go Obama! 

Yep, I think alot of people are just now waking up to the fact that they better jump ship before it goes down.

Short story (sorta):

As I've mentioned before in other postings, I work in a very conservative office.  I am assistant to one of our project managers, who is an ex-Marine and would just as soon set himself on fire as vote for a Democrat.

Today (much to my initial misgivings), we got to discussing the election.  He knows who I'm voting for, but he came to me and asked me to help him check his wife's voter registration status.  I helped him look it up (he's not very computer literate) and also helped him download a voter registration form (even though I knew she'd probably vote for M/P).

So then we started discussing Obama.  We went back and forth, I expressed my views, he expressed his views, and it was a good conversation with each of us expressing our views while respecting the other person's position.  Then he screwed up - he dropped the atom bomb on the conversation by using a racial slur against Obama.  I think we all know which slur I'm talking about.  I then told him as far as I was concerned the conversation was over, and he asked why.  I told him I didn't like that word, and that I particularly was offended that he would use that word in discussing a man like Senator Obama.  So we went back to work.

A few minutes later, he came up to me and asked, in a respectfully curious tone, "So tell me why you think he would make a good President".  So I started giving him my reasons.  He continued to ask questions:  Is he really a Muslim?  Was he born in the US?  What church does he attend?  How long and how many times has he been married?  Stuff like that.  Apparently he's been on the receiving end of all the anti-Obama email, but I give him credit for asking me for the truth.

I also told him about this website, and showed him the websites FactCheck.org and Snopes.  I recommended that the next time he received an email making claims about Obama, to check one of those sites and learn the facts.  He actually asked me how to check on something.

So I'm encouraged, not that he will vote for Obama, but at least he has an open mind about learning the truth.

Baby steps, people.  Baby steps.

You go, nc.  It's a great sign he even came back to ask about it.  May more people start thinking for themselves. 

And you know - some people actually haven't heard a different viewpoint.  I know a couple who only listen to a few sources and they were shocked when I disagreed with their opinions on Obama.  I really don't think they had thought that others might not feel the exact same way, they just hadn't encountered it.

Your story gave me goosebumps, ncwoman! 

Thank you for sharing this.  I think we need to hear stories like this (at least I know I do) to help restore our hope in our fellow Republicans who know in their hearts that something is just not right in our party - even if they can't bring themselves to vote for a democrat.

It means a lot that he would ask you for help and your opinion. 

Way to go, NC! Great story. Please let us know if he continues to ask questions. 

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That is a fantastic position to be in.

That is an important conversation to have.

I am glad that you stood your ground.

I  am glad that we are here to back you up and perhaps shed some light upon this mans ignorance.

Thanks for your comments, folks.

I too, was very encouraged that he even came back to ask the questions.

And I will keep you all informed of further progress!

BTW, I had a dream this afternoon during a nap that one of my equally conservative and evangelical Christian co-workers told me she'd voted for Obama!!  Needless to say when I woke up I said to myself "I KNEW I was dreaming!" :=)

Maybe... and maybe it's a sign from God. :)

Hey - he gave Joseph prophetic dreams, why not you? ;)

Wow!  You're story made me pause and thank God there are people out there willing to stand for truth when it may cost them something.  May God bless you.  I still am in amazement everytime I see the diversity at an Obama rally.   Change is stirring.  The civil rights movement has to take place on a different front in order for us to continue the progress that has been made.  You took a step in the right direction.  You planted a seed. 

Felicia - Texas

I think this is fantastic, particularly when I have started to despair that the Republicans have all lost their minds. 

However, the people I know who are voting for McCain/Palin have no idea who William F. Buckley is.  They think Rush Limbaugh is the Head Republican.  They disdain anything - like that article - that smacks of elitism, because they have been told to do so by their political messiah, Fox News.  I think it's too late for the mainstream conservatives to have much influence on this election, and we've let it happen to ourselves. 

Agreed! Neither do they know who George Will or David Brooks is...

My hope for the future of our GOP is that the Wills and Brooks of the country (along with the power of RFO!) will force the party to shake up the leadership. 

The problems we face will not be solved by the minds that created them.

Here is a piece by David Brooks that in my opinion is fitting. The problem is that many people throw intelligence out of the window and than you have people burping out total nonsense. The GOP have to get back to serious intellectual debate and away from Hannity, Ann Coulter and the likes. 

Obama/Biden 2008

How true. If this election turns out as badly for McCain as it's shaping up to (Good God, Obama leading in West Viriginia!!!!!!) I think the more serious Republicans are going to see that they have to either clean house or see themselves as a longterm minority party.

David Brooks - Republicans Will Vote For Obama

Obama/Biden 2008

Makes me miss Russert deeply. I wish he was here to go through the terrible things happening in this campaign. We need more true journalist and human beings like him...
Oh so true, SG!
Me too. I feel bad that he didn't get to be here for this historic election. Think what you want about him as a journalist, there was no doubt that he absolutely loved politics.

 

Success; (2) Republican co-workers came up to me a few days ago, to tell me they cannot vote for Mccain & cannot stand palin, so they have decided to vote for Obama.

And they appreciated the information from this site... We have been discussing the facts regarding Obama vs. Mccain for months. 

Certainly good to know they are making the best choice in these challenging times.

 

That's fantastic, Native!

That's what it's all about, that we make the best choice for our country as Americans.  I think many many people are waking up to that, and I'm convinced that RFO has been a part of that! 

This Democrat says YOU...GUYS....ROCK!!!!!

 

Christopher Buckley is now gone from National Review because he endorsed Obama. What a shame. They're shrinkng down to a bunch of shallow yappers and remaining true to form in rejecting anyone with a differing opinion. With us or against us.

 

Sorry, Dad, I was sacked

Insane.  Just caught Buckley on Hardball.  It's so amazing how threatened people are of dissent.

There are some refreshing comments in that article too. I was talking about the other article about Buckley's "resignation" and there are a lot of Republicans fed up and the feel their party is losing it's identity. Both articles have pages of people supporting Mr. Buckley and maybne a sign that the Republicans taking back their party could come faster that we thought. Although, it still will take awhile for the irrational crazies to realize they're losing power.......

 I wonder how many of them know about this site...

I really like this:
"So, I have been effectively fatwahed (is that how you spell it?) by the conservative movement, and the magazine that my father founded must now distance itself from me."

What is most disappointing is the lack of "reasoned arguement" against his stand.  It is all reactionary - you betrayed us.

Fundamentalism, in any form, is dangerous.

That is maddening. An opinion columnist fired for having an opinion. I realize that we are all at the mercy of our employers, but it angers me since his father founded the magazine. Oh, that's right. Our party believes the Constitution is a privilege, not a right. 

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The enemy of "the best" is not "the worst." The enemy of "the best" is "good enough."

Chris Buckley is not the first person to pay a price for standing up for what is right, but he does reveal one of the true actual characteristics, he stands up for what is right even if it is unpopular and may result in personal harm.

This part of his comments struck a real cord of truth with me. The Republican Party are no longer Republicans. I have know idea what they are any more.

Chistopher Buckley -

"While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of "conservative" government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case."

"So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven't left the Republican Party. It left me."

 

I agree. That was the part that got me most too. If you think about it though, the more these people alienate the moderate voices of the GOP, the more they risk becoming a fringe element themselves. In the end, the dissillusioned moderates will outnumber them. If they organize, they can cast the fundamentalists aside and reorganize the Party.

Help stop the hate. Sign the petition to end incitement of hatred by McCain/Palin.

It might be just me, but I don't think the types who fly into rages over dissenting voices have much of a clue what real Republicans are. Most of them were in Huggies when Reagan was in office and they grew up on the slash and burn Rove style politicis the party has adopted. And you're right, they're going to be a fringe party if they don't do some soul searching and clean house. There is some truly amazing claptrap coming from NRO lately, so perhaps Chris Buckley is better off being tossed out by the clowns before he's counted as one of them. 

Perhaps we need to form a new party - The Buckley party.

I agree that the last 2 paragraphs were very powerful.  And I identify with being "disowned".  

In New York, there are both the Republican Party and the Conservative Party seperately, but cross endorsement is allowed (and some Democrats win the Conservative Party endorsement too.)  It might be good if this got adopted elsewhere in the usa.

Both the original article and the followup were outstanding; he is definitely his father's son.

Kudo's to Chris for speaking truth to the closed-minded. 

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, & wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

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